AZA ATR 72 overshoots runway at FCO

[James Bond]

50 on board (4 crew) - 6 injuries reported, 2 appear to be serious



Leased from Carpatair. Departure was PSO.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...S-Alitalia.php

[B757300]

Could have been much worse.

Hopefully everyone injured will recover.

[James Bond]

16 injured been reported now. The worst is a FA who sustained multiple injuries but who is stable.

[mawheatley]

Originally Posted by James Bond

Leased from Carpatair. Departure was PSO.

PSA maybe?

[Peter Kesternich]

I wonder where the touchdown point was if they didn't manage to stop an ATR on the long runways of Fiumicino.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by Peter Kesternich

I wonder where the touchdown point was if they didn't manage to stop an ATR on the long runways of Fiumicino.

Apparently it veered off-runway.

[Gabriel]

I bet that the collapsed gear was the cause, not the result, of the excursion.
Now what was the cause of the collapse?

[3WE]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Now what was the cause of the collapse?

French engineering.

[aceriana]

With a very slick move - during the night Alitalia repainted the ATR completely white, so the blame goes straight to the Romanian crew.




Now, no Alitalia identification can be seen. Just the plane's registration number and the romanian flag.

[James Bond]

Originally Posted by mawheatley

PSA maybe?

Yes, sorry!

[seahawk]

One wonders how they could be allowed to paint the wreck with the accident investigation on-going.

[James Bond]

Originally Posted by aceriana

With a very slick move - during the night Alitalia repainted the ATR completely white, so the blame goes straight to the Romanian crew.

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Now, no Alitalia identification can be seen. Just the plane's registration number and the romanian flag.

Wow....that's crazy. Is that standard procedure?

[IberiaMD-87]

Is that standard procedure?

This happened before in the aftermath of an incident or accident - maybe not within the first two hours but after a few days, for example the Airbus A310 of Hapag-Lloyd after landing without fuel in Vienna, the Austrian Fokker 70 which landed short of the planned runway in Munich or the MD-81 "Dana Viking" of SAS which made an emergency landing shortly after take-off from Stockholm.

It may be not a standard-procedure but it is not uncommon.

[Peter Kesternich]

Originally Posted by James Bond

Wow....that's crazy. Is that standard procedure?

I am not sure whether there are any "standard" procedures for repainting an accident aircraft, but all airlines do it if the airline is still recognizable on the wreckage and if they have the possibility and the means.

Originally Posted by seahawk

One wonders how they could be allowed to paint the wreck with the accident investigation on-going.

Well - why not? I doubt that the paint has anything to do with the accident

[HalcyonDays]

Painting out an airline name or logo, or using tape to do so, is tried and tested procedure in accident aftermaths, but painting over a whole airframe is pretty unusual. So I would sort of question how appropriate this was and whether interfering with accident site evidence was an issue.

[seahawk]

Originally Posted by Peter Kesternich

Well - why not? I doubt that the paint has anything to do with the accident

Because you allow lots of workers of the airline to the plane. If you do not monitor them closely they could do more than just paint the plane - at least in theory.

[Jester]

I believe the registration of the plane is YR-ATS, not YR-ATR

The repaint, from what i could see on tv, seems to be only tape, not sprayed.
To me it seems that they covered the whole fuselage including windows with white tape.

Media says that in the area there was winds at 25kts gusting 41kts and an ATR retired pilot stated that are near the safety limits for a plane like that.
I'm not an ATR expert so i only report what i've heard.

[Peter Kesternich]

Originally Posted by seahawk

Because you allow lots of workers of the airline to the plane. If you do not monitor them closely they could do more than just paint the plane - at least in theory.

I would think that before you allow anyone not involved with the investigation to the accident sight (and possible "crime scene") that all the relevant pictures and data would have been gathered, as well as FDR and CVR recovered.

I took another look at the picture posted by aceriana. It does look more like tape than paint.

[brianw999]

As long as an Italian does not get any blame attached to them, that's all Alitalia will care about. Typical Italian mind set.
A bit like when Ayrton Senna was killed at Imola in the 1994 Italian Grand Prix. The Italians were quick to lay manslaughter charges against the Willims F1 team and Frank Willims specifically yet conveniently glossed over the possibility of debris on the track causing the accident.

[Black Ram]

Originally Posted by brianw999

As long as an Italian does not get any blame attached to them, that's all Alitalia will care about. Typical Italian mind set.
A bit like when Ayrton Senna was killed at Imola in the 1994 Italian Grand Prix. The Italians were quick to lay manslaughter charges against the Willims F1 team and Frank Willims specifically yet conveniently glossed over the possibility of debris on the track causing the accident.

Oh come on. A steering column was welded under Frank Williams's and Patrick Head's supervision. It was very clear it was not debris that caused the accident. There were also plenty of impartial observers (Michelle Alboreto, Ron Dennis, Gerhard Berger) who stated only a broken car could result in the crash happening the way it did.
If the crash was caused by a bad modification, then that's negligence. Put all of Williams's spin into the picture and you get perjury.
Either way, the Imola track is "fixed" today, and the cars are now safer. But you can ask the non-Italian Max Mosley why that happened after TWO deaths in 1994, one near-death in 1995 (Hakkinen), and why he decided to take the awesome and powerful cars of 1993 and deprive them of the safety features, electronics, and crucial active suspension for the 1994 team. That really made some teams struggle and could have contributed to some of the accidents. (both Simtek and Williams 1994 cars were basically designed for active suspension and it is no secret Williams were struggling with their setup and constantly making changes, until they redesigned it and got the FW-16B) and It also made the cars inherently unsafe. Yet, this is the guy getting credit for making F1 safe today. I say it is Senna and Ratzenberger, who paid for it with their blood.
Anyway, off-topic.