Old 04-10-2010, 08:00 AM   #1
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Very sad news but the Tu-154-M has made more victims.
This time it was the official presidential Tu-154-M that crashed near Smolensk airport in Western Russia killing the president, his wife, the governor of the Polish national bank and almost 90 people in total. More recent info even speak of around 130 victims. Cynically enough the plane was in Russia for events related to the Katyn massacre.

I am sure more details will become available as more news becomes available.
RIP to those who were on board.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm

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Old 04-10-2010, 08:44 AM   #2
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TVN (a Polish tv channel) just stated that this was the 4th attempted approach in fog and that ATC had suggested diversions to Minsk airport because of the weather.
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Wow. The presidential family doesn't travel on its own plane. How does that help with security?
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this is a sad day for poland, with a good chunk of the government taken away, RIP to all those that perished
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that looks very bad from the CNN video:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T1


RIP and my condolence for all family, relatives and polish citizens!
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Wow. The presidential family doesn't travel on its own plane.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? It was a government, presidential plane. Sort of a local equivalent of Air Force One.
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Very sad news. A horrible crash with so many lost. Seems to be CFT.

Callsign was PLF101 so the a/c was likely to be serial 101.

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Made in 1990, one of two Tu-154 in the Polish AF.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion? It was a government, presidential plane. Sort of a local equivalent of Air Force One.
With 132 passengers? Who were all the rest, media?
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With 132 passengers? Who were all the rest, media?
88, possibly 89 on board. Members of parliament, other government officials, representatives of armed forces, church, combatants.
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I think the Polish parlament should buy some of the old LOT B767s.
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TVN (a Polish tv channel) just stated that this was the 4th attempted approach in fog and that ATC had suggested diversions to Minsk airport because of the weather.
Has this been confirmed?
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I think the Polish parlament should buy some of the old LOT B767s.
If it is true that the crew made 3 or 4 approaches in bad weather, what difference does the aircraft type make ? If it is indeed true, you can maybe understand the pressure on a flightcrew to deliver its VIP passengers to an important and (for the Poles) highly resonant event, even if you can't excuse it. What incredible irony that a senior Polish group of people should lose their lives near Katyn.
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What incredible irony that a senior Polish group of people should lose their lives near Katyn.
Even worse: according to german TV-news [ http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/kaczynski114.html ] there were relatives of the Katyn massacre [info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre ] on board who were meant to take part at the memorial in Katyn. Now they also died.
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I was admiring the beauty of that aircraft only the other week, and it deeply confuses me that something so big and beautiful and the people it carries can suddenly just simply cease to exist. Very, very sad indeed. May those lost rest in peace.
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If it is true that the crew made 3 or 4 approaches in bad weather, what difference does the aircraft type make ? If it is indeed true, you can maybe understand the pressure on a flightcrew to deliver its VIP passengers to an important and (for the Poles) highly resonant event, even if you can't excuse it. What incredible irony that a senior Polish group of people should lose their lives near Katyn.
As we both know the Tu-154 isn´t a bad aircraft, but now it´s impossible to fly it as VIP
plane in Poland. I flew it myself on the Warszaw-Moscow leg during summer 2004.
I think it was on the 4th landingattempt that it crashed, strange co-indence that the Tu-204 crashed recently manner and all onboard survived in Moscow, even though only crew onboard.
The B767 has a good safety record, most has been involved with evil intent.
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This is very sad day for me and other Poles
Tu154M had not so long ago serious modernisation worth 70 million $, but in confrontation with heavy fog and poor systems at russian military airport, something went wrong ;-(
RIP president and wife, politics, veterans, clerics, commanders, press and crew of that flight ;-(
I'm shocked and crying, everyone of those people were very good and important to us...
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Just saw this, terrible for me as well as I am Polish.... I remember seeing this Tupelov 154 in 2007 on the ramp. Very sad..
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This is very sad day for me and other Poles
Tu154M had not so long ago serious modernisation worth 70 million $, but in confrontation with heavy fog and poor systems at russian military airport, something went wrong ;-(
RIP president and wife, politics, veterans, clerics, commanders, press and crew of that flight ;-(
I'm shocked and crying, everyone of those people were very good and important to us...
Sounds like a lot for 2 airplanes?
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So damn terrible... Some serious actions should be taken against this tupolev 154, it took enough lives this year already.

All of my condolences to the polish people...
May all who died rest in peace
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