Old 12-31-2008, 06:47 AM   #1
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I live in Australia and have 3 more years of school left and I want to be a pilot.I now about the Qantas and Etihad cadet programs but these are all I have been able to find so far.
I have also been looking at the Air Force.
Could you please help me by telling me what other airlines offer cadet programs.
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PS. I also know about the REX cadet program. Thanks.
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Old 12-31-2008, 08:46 AM   #2
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Here are some threads that may help:

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One thing with many cadet programs is that you must be a native of the country where they are based. It'd be nice if airlines in America had these programs!
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One thing with many cadet programs is that you must be a native of the country where they are based. It'd be nice if airlines in America had these programs!
When this pilot shortage hits 3 or 4 years down the road and given the number of people actually becoming commercial pilots in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised.
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One thing with many cadet programs is that you must be a native of the country where they are based. It'd be nice if airlines in America had these programs!
Really so the Etihad Cadet Pilot program actually wants only UAE nationals??

Because i've read a news link, and it said that only about 5% of students attending were UAE nationals.
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From what I gathered on their website for the cadet program, it's only open to people from their area. I'd apply in a heartbeat if it was for Americans too.

EDIT: However I did just read that they take applications from all races and nationalities. Hmmm that has definitely changed since over the Summer.
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Etihad will be in New York in August of 2009 evaluating applicants for their cadet program.

Pilots who already have their Commercial license are not allowed to take part and not considered for the program. It's a shame that I will have my CPL by then! I'd be willing to do it.
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Etihad will be in New York in August of 2009 evaluating applicants for their cadet program.

Pilots who already have their Commercial license are not allowed to take part and not considered for the program. It's a shame that I will have my CPL by then! I'd be willing to do it.
Well, if you really wanted to apply you could just skip out on getting th CPL. Honestly, it's really tempting. All they want apparently is a high school diploma. They don't really give any flight experience requirements, but I assume if they don't want a CPL then 180 hours with an IFR rating (which is where I'm at) is pretty good. I'm not sure I'd feel good about just taking off to the UAE though, although it seems like an interesting place and certainly not as cold as it is here now!

As for US cadetships, that's what places like ERAU, UND, Perdue, ATP, local flight schools, etc, etc are for. It's just that the airline doesn't pay to train you from nothing! The reason why airlines in places like the UAE, HK, etc is because these places are quite small and there isn't much GA going on and no big flight schools so they need to find pilots from their smallish populations or ex-pats from other countries.
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I'm not going to stop my training on the hopes of being able to be admitted into the program.

It just sucks I'm almost paying more for a semester of school, then a first year pilot makes!
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Those were all my threads. Mate, PM me and i'll be more than happy to help you with any questions that you have. I've done A LOT of research.
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I think I will go with the RAAF as my first pick. Then move on to a airline after my ROS is up. The only down side would have to be the fact that you could be deployed.
Does anyone know how easy it is to get into the Air Force and then into a mojor airline after that?
Also, would getting a PPL now help my chances with the Air Force?
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No clue about the RAF, but I have a little insight on it from my university.

We have a large Air Force ROTC program at Kent State University. Most of the students involved with it are Flight Technology Majors that are getting all their pilots licenses while taking part in the ROTC program. When they enter the Air Force they are officers, which is required to be a pilot, I believe.

Is it easy to get an airline job out of the air force. You can bet your butt it's easier than going the civilian route. You'll have a lot more flight time when you enter the airlines, making your entry probably straight into a major carrier, rather than the small regionals civilians will have to enter into. The head of our ROTC flew a 747 carrying the Head of the Department of Defense. He carries a 757/767 type rating and 747 type rating. He actually has airlines approaching him to see if he wants to fly for them.
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Does anyone know what the pay is with major carriers?
In paticular Qantas and Air New Zealand.
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:20 PM   #14
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After you've served the required amount of time in the Air Force (i think 12 years) it is too easy to get a job as a commercial pilot, flying Heavies. But it is very hard to get into the AF, you need to be 100% fit, your reaction time needs to be flawless and your year 12 grades need to be very high.

If you want to become a commercial pilot i'd suggest the REX cadet program, 32 weeks in housed and your a pilot, sounds good to me. And you do not actually have to be with them for the 7 years, because after about 5 years you'll have enough flying time to apply for Qantas/Jetstar or Virgin etc. Who's pay will be much higher than that of REX. First year pay for Rex is around $40,000 and 5th year is about $55,000 after 5 years you can become a captain of the Saabs (if you have enough flying time) which is about $70,000. Qantas is about $70,000 as an experienced first officer whilst an experienced captain of about 10 years can expect to be paid approximately $300,000 a year, on top of all the perks the job comes with.

http://www.airc.gov.au/awards/tracee...f/AG843610.pdf

Also go to http://www.airc.gov.au/awards/tracee/agreements and look up any agreement you like. just type in the airline name and see what comes up.

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Is it easy to get an airline job out of the air force. You can bet your butt it's easier than going the civilian route.
Yeah, except for the part that Uncle Sam wants a 10-year commitment if you want to fly for him, while the civilian route can take as little as seventeen months, you're absolutely right.

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You'll have a lot more flight time
No, you won't. Not when you got guys coming out of the military with 1,500hrs after 12 years of service. You could argue that it's better quality time, but not more of it.

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The head of our ROTC flew a 747 carrying the Head of the Department of Defense. He carries a 757/767 type rating and 747 type rating. He actually has airlines approaching him to see if he wants to fly for them.
He also, no doubt, doesn't even need an airplane to fly, he can just flap his arms.
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The only pproblems with the Rex and Qantas cadet programs is that when you start you barely have enough money to live off and then you get stationed in some remote area in the middle of no where. After a few years the pay becomes pretty good though.
Would getting a PPL now help with getting into the Air Force or a cadet program?
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It would with a Cadet program, as you deduct the amount it costs from the program and you do get credit for it, as well as in any Uni Course. But with the REX program, you pay in small amounts over 7 years, and you can also get a 50% scholarship and a 50% loan, so it all works out. With Qantas its the same deal but no scholarship.

You can also do some Uni courses that by the end of them you have your full ATPL and can start working for a small regional airline or cargo airline. Swinburne and RMIT offer great courses in Victoria.
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You're right, it can take as little as 17 months, but are the airlines really going to hire you? Airlines are more and more wanting college degrees to go with the hours, not necessarily a flight degree, but they want one. Also you won't be starting out with a major airline, one like Comair, ExpressJet, etc... Making $20,000 a year is a lot different then starting out with a major making at least $50,000 your first year. Flying those 1500 hours in 12 years is still better than flying 1500 hours in a Cessna. I'm pretty sure they would take 1500 hours in an F-16 over a little Cessna. Also the military pays pretty good money.

As for the ROTC commander, I'd love to be in his shoes and be able to go to a major and get a job.

So I really don't get your point. Not to mention he's not under Uncle Sam's rule so I don't get your reference to that.
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What people are forgetting to say about the Air Force is that they also have VERY high standards. You don't just enlist and get to fly an F-16, you need a college degree with a high GPA. I know some people who are in ROTC and are trying to get a pilot slots, one of them already went through basic training and works in maintenance and the other just just joined the ROTC program. Basically the way it is, is that you have to go to college first and get a degree. If you meet the standards and pass the initial pilot training you get ranked based on how well you did and then get to pick what you fly depending on what is available. If you are first in your class you get the best selection of what to you get to fly, if you are last in your class you get whatever everyone else did not want. If you don't get a pilot slot then you are still in the military and have to serve out your time doing something else. And yes, fighters don't get a lot of flying time, although it can be argued that it is higher quality. Transports would get a lot more time than fighters. Also, if you want to do fighters you'll be put through a centrifuge test where you get subjected to 8g's to see if you can handle it. You get two chances to pass it (I think), if you don't, you're done.
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What people are forgetting to say about the Air Force is that they also have VERY high standards. You don't just enlist and get to fly an F-16, you need a college degree with a high GPA. I know some people who are in ROTC and are trying to get a pilot slots, one of them already went through basic training and works in maintenance and the other just just joined the ROTC program. Basically the way it is, is that you have to go to college first and get a degree. If you meet the standards and pass the initial pilot training you get ranked based on how well you did and then get to pick what you fly depending on what is available. If you are first in your class you get the best selection of what to you get to fly, if you are last in your class you get whatever everyone else did not want. If you don't get a pilot slot then you are still in the military and have to serve out your time doing something else. And yes, fighters don't get a lot of flying time, although it can be argued that it is higher quality. Transports would get a lot more time than fighters. Also, if you want to do fighters you'll be put through a centrifuge test where you get subjected to 8g's to see if you can handle it. You get two chances to pass it (I think), if you don't, you're done.
Also, from what I have heard from other sites, if you are trying to get into the Air Force to fly fighter jets, the experience won't be a positive one. Air Force Pilots need to be soldiers first, Airmen second. Do it for the love of you country, not for 1500 hours.
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