Name that Airport

[Petertenthije]

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

Challenge 3:

The Flight Attendant (FA) says:

I read somewhere (mmm, now where was it?... mmmm) that you never see dead penguins in Antarctica.

I don't really want to know if you do or don't but what I really want to know.... really, really want to know.... (I wanna, I wanna, I wanna... oh, stop it!) is if it could be mainly because the polar bears eat them.

What do you think?

You must answer "Yes" or "No" and explain your answer.

The quicker you have the answer, the quicker breakfast will be served!


Happy thinking!

NO, Just like Brian, when he posted this thread http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=48818 I do not know much about penguins. I do know they are native to the Antarctic and a few countries near the Antarctic (South Africa, Chili, New Zealand). I don't know much about polar bears either, except that they are not native to the antartic, they prefer the artic. So a penguin will never be eaten by a polar bear, unless someones screws up badly in a zoo.

[brianw999]

...and because you're ever so picky...to answer the question in the manner requested.

NO.

Because Polar bears live in the Arctic and Penguins live in the Antarctic.

( Peter...he's a picky little sod, make sure you do EVERYTHING he asks !!.......

....oh yes, and it's 18 hours to flight time. )

P.S. Note to self...have a word with the East Grinstead crews. Large IV needles are de rigeur in your area from now on...

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Petertenthije

NO, Just like Brian, when he posted this thread http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=48818 I do not know much about penguins. I do know they are native to the Antarctic and a few countries near the Antarctic (South Africa, Chili, New Zealand). I don't know much about polar bears either, except that they are not native to the antartic, they prefer the artic. So a penguin will never be eaten by a polar bear, unless someones screws up badly in a zoo.

60B (the 'Cockney' guy in that seat) shouts out:

Yeh, an' you know wot?... I mean, I don't know nuffink abaht penguins eever but sumwun told me that they only 'do it' wunce a year....

... I ask yer, wunce a year?... wot's that all abaht then? But I'll tell yer anuvva fing...

I fink it woz that 'At-an-burrow bloke wot said it, so it must be true ay?...

well, any-ows, that's wunce more a year than me an' my missus do it!


The whole cabin falls into Hysterics, Laughter, Chortles and Guffaws and once it all settles down (or "settles dahn" in 'Cockney') the Chief FA approaches to talk to you:

Nice one Peter. BTW, you want to watch that guy in 60B. He might be a bit gobby ("Gobby" = 'Cockney' for "outspoken") but he's not the sort to cause trouble, and he knows a thing or two. I heard that his cousin owns a farm and 60B does some contract work for him, keeping his geese, while he's away on business.


The crew have their quick climb request confirmed and leave Departures to call up on the Trans-OceoLandType frequency for the next leg of the journey, as the cabin crew hand out breakfast.


The FA says: Northwich 1-0 Charlton...

...so Charlton got knocked out the FA Cup by Northwich today... (and the whole cabin falls into Hysterics, Laughter, Chortles and Guffaws again ) ... but, as true as it is, that's completely beside the point.


Enjoy your breakfast!

[brianw999]

Paul, is that a picture of the airport that we're looking for ?

( 16 and a half hours to go )

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by brianw999

Paul, is that a picture of the airport that we're looking for ?

( 16 and a half hours to go )

60B shouts out:

Now there's a goodun if evah I 'erd a goodun... as questions go!... give that man a bigger breakfast!


The FA says:

Yes, it is our destination airport Brian... and, sometimes, I wonder who's the boss around here. I'm not sure, but 60B might even run the airline, so I better do as he says!

[Petertenthije]

There's a cockney speaking person on board, so assume departure from the UK. We fly to the west, but not to north america. Am I correct in assuming our destination is in the pacific? The building style (and totem pole!) I believe can be found in Hawaii, Tahiti, Micronesia.

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by brianw999

...and because you're ever so picky...to answer the question in the manner requested.

NO.

Because Polar bears live in the Arctic and Penguins live in the Antarctic.

( Peter...he's a picky little sod, make sure you do EVERYTHING he asks !!.......

....oh yes, and it's 18 hours to flight time. )

P.S. Note to self...have a word with the East Grinstead crews. Large IV needles are de rigeur in your area from now on...

You over hear a conversation between 60B and 60D

I mean, give the guy a chance, just coz 'ee got the last wun in super-quick time 'ee got fretternd wiv little yella men in Amsterdaaahm an' now, just coz that guy there 'as got the same name as my airline an' is bailing out soon, 'ee fretterns 'im wiv little green men in East Grim-spade.

I mean don't I, 'eez gotta eat sometime don't 'ee?... I dunno, little yella men and little green men, it's like The Simpsons rolled up into The Men In The Moon ain't it!

60D says nothing but seems to know everything and looks at the little in Brian. The gets afraid, very afraid.

60B stands up and shouts:

Oi, you! yeh you, wiv the green boiler suit on (Paramedics wear green suits)... this is My Airline NOT YORZ (Ooooer, he is gobby!)... they don't call me Brian "Bow Bells" o' Bleary the BrianAir Boss fa nuffink ya know!...

Blimey, talk abaht alliterate!

... 'an while am at it, put yer parachute under the seat in front!

He sits back 'dahn', order is resumed and the FA approaches Peter.

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Petertenthije

There's a cockney speaking person on board, so assume departure from the UK. We fly to the west, but not to north america. Am I correct in assuming our destination is in the pacific? The building style (and totem pole!) I believe can be found in Hawaii, Tahiti, Micronesia.

The FA says:

Mmmmm, I like the way you're approaching this Peter but I'm under strict instructions. In fact, we don't get told an awful lot on this because Brian o'Bleary is on board doing an BoBsted Inspection, but I think it might be a little early in the flight to be asking such specific questions...

...after all there are 7 commonly accepted continents and 5 are still up for grabs and, although I think you're on to something when it comes to the architecture, I know we went through a few turns and, TBH, I don't know which way the Pilot's taking us.

Here, have this... the guy in 17F gave me this note for you

You read the note...

Peter, Peter, it's good to see you thinking
Checking the details to see what might be linking
And for your reward I'll give you this orange
And once it's peeled you'll have answered the next challenge.



The next challenge will be posted soon (before I turn in for the night )

[HB-IHC]

Challenge 4:

Brian "Bow Bells" o' Bleary the BrianAir Boss is doing his Bobsted Inspection and wants to see if passengers' navigation skills are up to scratch because soon they'll be having to fly themselves on his planes or face massive hidden charges.

You were asked in a previous challenge to find a co-ordinate and report the continent that it lay in. We'll call this co-ordinate "Alpha".

You will need to find an exact position from Alpha and report back to "BoB The Gob" with the answers to the questions below.

There is a land mass that lies between 125 degrees and 175 degrees from this position.

On this land mass there are many airports but one, in particular, lies at about 8,140 miles from Alpha.

An aircraft is on or just above a runway at this airport, exactly 8,144.9 km from Alpha.

1. Which continent is it in?
2. Which country is the airport in?
3. Which airport is it?
4. What is the magnetic heading, as shown in Google Earth, of the runway that this aircraft is on?




If I don't catch you before you go Brian, Have a great time in Chine!

Paul

[Moose135]

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

On this land mass there are many airports but one, in particular, lies at about 8,140 miles from Alpha.

An aircraft is on or just above a runway at this airport, exactly 8,144.9 km from Alpha.

Is the Goose Keeper leading us on? Is it miles or km?

[Moose135]

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

There is a land mass that lies between 125 degrees and 175 degrees from this position.

On this land mass there are many airports but one, in particular, lies at about 8,140 miles from Alpha.

An aircraft is on or just above a runway at this airport, exactly 8,144.9 km from Alpha.

1. Which continent is it in?
2. Which country is the airport in?
3. Which airport is it?
4. What is the magnetic heading, as shown in Google Earth, of the runway that this aircraft is on?

Working from the heading of 125 to 175 degrees from Alpha, it looks like South America is the target. Since 8,140 miles from Alpha put you past the land mass, I'll assume that you meant KM. Based on that...

1 - South America
2 - Argentina
3 - Ministro Pistarini International Airport (Aeropuerto Internacional de Ezeiza "Ministro Pistarini")
4 - Rwy 17 (although it looks like it may actually be closer to 164 degrees)

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Moose135

Is the Goose Keeper leading us on?

The FA says:

Hi Moose, great to see you're on board! Mmmm, I see what you mean about the Goose Keeper. I don't know for sure if he's on board but I haven't got around everyone yet. But... you do know they're cousins don't you... The Goose Keeper and Brian "Bow Bells" o'Bleary the BrianAir Boss (BBBoBBB).... so I guess he could be helping BBBoBBB with his Bobsted Inspection.

Oh, what a life... inspections, targets, league tables and paperwork leading to mass deforestation which will inevitably lead to the Apocalypse, what's the world coming to!... but anyway, you don't want to hear all that, I'll go and sort this thing out for you.

The FA goes over to the Chief FA, the Chief FA goes over to 60B and they discuss the situation.

The Poet says:

Moose, Moose,
about keeping goose...
The crew are impressed
at your intelligent request
They see what you say
but what gives it away
Is that Km or miles
determines the lines

Originally Posted by Moose135

Is it miles or km?

The Poet says:

I see that there are few airports this way
where miles are this figure, its near Port of Spain
So Km it is and you've avoided lumbago
By not choosing miles to Trinidad and Tobago

But as reward for your work, and for not moving too fast
We've upraded your ticket to "you're the business"* class!
And now I must finish, otherwise it will all get insipid
BTW, your six-six-six Database photos, they're shaping up 'wicked'

6OD eyes up Moose's banner heading and laughs, inwardly and mysteriously.

Originally Posted by Moose135

Working from the heading of 125 to 175 degrees from Alpha, it looks like South America is the target. Since 8,140 miles from Alpha put you past the land mass, I'll assume that you meant KM. Based on that...

1 - South America
2 - Argentina
3 - Ministro Pistarini International Airport (Aeropuerto Internacional de Ezeiza "Ministro Pistarini")
4 - Rwy 17 (although it looks like it may actually be closer to 164 degrees)

The Chief FA says:

Hi Moose, BBBoBBB was impressed by your observation, even more impressed that you worked the problem in spite of it and hugely impressed at the way you gave the answer to the magnetic heading, so he's given you free PilotMiles.

You see, following BrianAir's "We fly you further (away from the place you think you're going to than anyone else)" initiative, instead of being boring and offering AirMiles, they're giving PilotMiles so that people can offset the extortionate hidden costs of buying another ticket once BBBoBBB advertises his new initiative: "Take the stress out of flying (sit on a plane and go no-where)" which will be covered by the smallprint: "Supplying a pilot is not within the terms of this ticket".

So, with those PilotMiles you've not only earned this 'Landmassive' piece of information....

... namely that the airport you're looking for is not only NOT "Ministro Pistarini International Airport", it's also NOT in Argentina either... or South America for that matter!...

.... but you've also earned another challenge for the next piece of information.

The crew are working on it but, in the meantime, we've got a bit of a situation on board. Brian "Green Man" Whitelegg has vanished... his parachute is still under the seat infront but no-one's seen him for a while and one of the FAs felt a bit of a draught earlier


Challenge 5, Part 1:


The Poet says:

Moose, Moose, you're no Spruce Goose
You flew a lot further than that ever managed
But here's the first part, for anyone to answer
What's the link between me, and the last challenge?


There is a link between The Poet and one of the answers in Challenge 4. Can you find it?

Part 2 will follow after receipt of a correct answer.


* Colloquial Note: "the business" is a 'Cockney' way of saying "good / respect etc.) e.g. "That car's the business" = it's leading edge / expensive / fast etc., or "He's the business" = he's good / great etc. in whatever context you're talking about.



Nice one, spotting my typo Moose... no, it wasn't deliberate... but it's given me an idea


Cheers, Paul

[Petertenthije]

The poet is currently flying through the clean skies, the airport is located near Buenos Aires which translates as clean skies.

It's a bit of a stretch, I'll grant you, but for now it will have to do.

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Petertenthije

The poet is currently flying through the clean skies, the airport is located near Buenos Aires which translates as clean skies.

It's a bit of a stretch, I'll grant you, but for now it will have to do.

The Poet says:

This, I like... even though it's not right!


In fact, the poet likes this soooo much that he's going to offer a little hint...

The link is a lot more obvious... when you see it of course, but you can see it with your eyes.



Post it / them up, I'll be back once I've done LGW-AMS-LGW tomorrow....

...that's me signing off for now, Paul

[HB-IHC]

OK Guys, back from AMS and catching up with work.

Here's another hint / way of looking at it...

Something about The Poet on this particular journey has commonality with one of the answers.

If no-one gets it before I turn in for the night tomorrow, I'll post up another hint.

Cheers, Paul

[Petertenthije]

Runway 17 (heading 170) and the poet happens to have 170 posts in this forum. At the time of posting this would have been less, but since the actual heading is around 164 degrees it might be a match regardless.

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Petertenthije

Runway 17 (heading 170) and the poet happens to have 170 posts in this forum. At the time of posting this would have been less, but since the actual heading is around 164 degrees it might be a match regardless.

The Poet says:

Wow... now there's an unforseen coincidence
and reward for impressing in this incidence
will surely follow, sure as eggs are eggs
but it will only be given once you solve this leg



Peter, you are absolutely on the right track in terms of the type of commonality - shall we call it "commonumerality"? - and you have identified half of the link, but the one I'm looking to ease out of you is the 'prime' one which is specifically connected to 'The Poet' (rather than the poet)... who is... sitting.... on the flight


Paul

[Petertenthije]

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

Here, have this... the guy in 17F gave me this note for you

You read the note...

Peter, Peter, it's good to see you thinking
Checking the details to see what might be linking
And for your reward I'll give you this orange
And once it's peeled you'll have answered the next challenge.

Got it! The guy in 17F gave a nice poem. So that's where the poet will be sitting. And 17F matches the runway orientation of Ministro Pistarini International Airport.

[HB-IHC]

Originally Posted by Petertenthije

Got it! The guy in 17F gave a nice poem. So that's where the poet will be sitting. And 17F matches the runway orientation of Ministro Pistarini International Airport.

You are 100% correct in making this "17" connection Peter. Congratulations!!

... and I will give you some more evidence for your deduction which might help you when you look for clues in further challenges on this journey...

These are the first two appearances of a poet in the story:

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

Will the poet in seat 17F please contact a crew member, thank you.

Although you wouldn't know for sure if this poet was "The Poet"...

... this post reveals that the guy in 17F is more than likely to be "The Poet"...

Originally Posted by HB-IHC

The Poet says:

The crew they just told me
I can talk all I like
To get us to our destination
And have a pleasant flight

I see you are hungry
For your first major clue
So when we get to breakfast
I'll show you a photoooooooooh!

And Part 1 of this challenge has now confirmed for you that the guy who is sitting in 17F is actually The Poet.

The Chief FA says:

Peter, your correct answer has established that The Poet is in seat 17F and, as The Poet suggested to you in his last two rhymes, your very astute and insightful observations have earned you a big reward:

1) This idea - to know who is sitting where - is an important thing for this journey!

2) The second part of the challenge has been removed and, instead, you will just be given the information that this would have revealed and which will be necessary for the last part of this challenge which we'll call: "Sweet Seventeen".

However, please bear with me. The crew are in one of their busiest times and we cannot do this now. Your 'challenging service' will be resumed at the first possible opportunity




When this challenge is correctly completed, you will receive another HUGE piece of information about our destination airport!


Paul

[HB-IHC]

The crew have been busy dealing with the guy in seat 51D who does nothing else but shout "I want a 61G!" before repeatedly launching into his version of 'God Save The Queen', very loudly, and he has now become so irritating that the woman in 80A (this is a very strange plane!...) finally lost her temper and threatend him with her pet snake (...with some very strange people!) which she had somehow smuggled aboard in her hand luggage.

The woman in 55H manages to restore calm before the guy in 11B stands up. His name is Hector Decimal and he's old... very old. In fact, he's not a day older or younger than 283 and, being a mathematician, he primed the airline to make sure that he got this particular seat for this auspiscious occassion. Hector, AKA "The Mathematician", is met by the Chief FA who turns to you and introduces him before giving him the floor...

The Mathematician says:

Good Morniaftenoovening to you all!

Before I set your challenge there are one or two things that I want to tell you.

It's best that you know that me and The Poet are good friends, especially because we both share a real fascination for patterns. Randomness is soooooo boring and irrelevant because nobody could ever make sense of something random - if they could, it wouldn't be random in the first place! - so we both strongly suspect that there is actually no such thing as true 'randomness', anywhere... at all... even if things look random to us.

Our friend "Mr.ICT" has also told us that it is impossible for a computer to generate a truly random number and we suspect that's because things work in this world on some sort of order, whether we see it or not.

Anyway, enough philosophy - it's (not really) amazing how many of my mathematician colleagues down the centuries are both Mathematicians and Philosophers!

I think I should tell you that The Poet is actually sitting in one of the seats in the row which is my favourite number but, today, as I hear you've been told, I have booked a very special seat. Enough about me though, what about mathematics?...

... well, I thought I'd give you some background information for this challenge, the first part of which is just plain interesting (and plane-interesting) and the second part of which I'll put under the Challenge heading because you will have to consider that to be able to crack it.

Now, it is a fact, that if it wasn't for Geometry we wouldn't have the commercial air transport system we have today. Apparently, Socrates said that Thales (pronounced Tal-ees) was the "Father of Geometry" and that's why one of today's leading aerospace companies bears his name. I won't go into how well connected the company is throughout the world because you can Google them if you're interested but, since you've already used a little bit of Geometry in Challenge 4, this challenge is going to be a lot more basic...

... well "basic" in terms of the focus falling on the very building blocks of numbers themselves, whatever number system you happen to be using.

You don't have to be a brilliant mathematician to realise that mathematics is full of order, logic and patterns, but the really strange thing - and I mean really, really strange thing - is that when you look slightly deeper into the simpler things they're very often incredibly difficult to understand.

For example, it is fairly easy to "prove" that 1 + 1 = 3. All you have to do is make a false assumption and you can get there in few moves but, in contrast, it is only recently in human history that anyone has actually given a valid proof for 1 + 1 = 2.

Amazingly, or not as the case may be, this proof runs into many pages and, BTW, it's far too clever and far too much hard work for me to worry about... I'll comfort myself with the well known saying: "good mathematicians are lazy"... although I don't think my interpretation is what the saying means

Anyway, enough of that, I better get you focussing on the area that you need to be looking at for this challenge which is connected to the "Holy Grail" of mathematics... trying to understand the seemingly random distribution of prime numbers.

The challenge will follow shortly, but I believe the Chief FA wants a quick word...

The Chief FA says:

To make sure that you are focussed on what you need to do now, I'd better tell you that most of what you've heard above is very important for later - not now particularily. Of course, you can do whatever you want in whatever way you want, but I would recommend that you especially keep details of who is sitting where on this flight and what they might or might not be doing, because if no-one gets us to this airport quickly, you will potentially need to know any or all of these details if you're ever going to solve the challenges later on.

Before I hand you back to The Mathematician, would the International Olympic Commitee please vacate 10C!... you are ruining the upholstry!!



The Mathematician will address you shortly with Challenge 101 Part 11, ....

.... oops, sorry, force of habit I picked up from "Mr.ICT"... I must remember to speak decimal!... after all, the seats are all numbered in alpha-numeric-decimal....

... that's; Challenge 5, Part 3


Thank you.