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  • #31
    Originally posted by FlyingPhotog
    Of course it's physically possible to run out of fuel. But you would receive warnings indicating a fuel shortage before hand. Aircraft are only filled with a finite amount of fuel, and once you run out you become a glider.

    However I am not suggesting that's what happened in this case.
    Whenever you are flying, you have to have a reserve amount usually this is in the form of munites Usually 45 minutes for a diversion to another airport or for circling around waiting if it is ok to land. Luckily it landed within the airport boundary and no one was killed. Someone told us about this in my Aircraft Accident Investigation class. Luckily that this did not end up crashing into the houses nearby.

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    • #32
      If they ran out of fuel, I'm sure the pilots would have reported that they were low on fuel when the alarms went off.

      Who knows what caused it at this point, but they managed to claw to the air long enough to clear the last deadly obsticle, and they should be commended for it.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by brianw999
        ....and now we await the tree-hugging, airports aren't safe, global warming crowd.
        "I hate the noise, the traffic, and the possible cancer I might get from jet exhaust. But I will continue to live here because it's a "good location."

        Signed,

        Typical NIMBY


        Thats like those idiots who build homes in California in the valley between hills. Then they are shocked when there's a mud slide.

        /off my soap box
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        • #34
          Originally posted by BA747-436
          I would be very surprised if it ran out of fuel. Although its a long flight from Beijing there should be a fair bit of fuel left for any sort of pattern hold that is required or a divert. If there was any hint of a fuel issue than I'm sure they would have put the aircraft down somewhere over northern Europe rather than 'wing it' (excuse the pun!) and try and get her home.
          I guess most aircraft carry enough in case of emergencies. But after having a quick look have found that some airlines do/have/are taking the chance:

          Below is an article from the Independent Newspaper quite an old quote (10 years).

          AIRCRAFT REGULARLY fly over London carrying too little fuel to cope with diversion or an emergency, an authority on aircraft safety said yesterday.

          The claim followed the revelation that a Malaysian jumbo jet had arrived at Heathrow with so little fuel that even a slight delay could have meant that it crashed over London.
          The following from USAtoday (a more recent quote), this was relating to a British Airways 747 that lost power to one of its engines.

          The pilot made an emergency landing in Manchester, England, about 160 miles short of London, because the Boeing 747 ran low on fuel after facing headwinds that were stronger than expected, the Federal Aviation Administration said.

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          • #35
            But as mentioned before, the pilots would know if the fuel was low, and they would alert ATC to the problem.

            Another person on another forum suggested windshear. I'm no expert on aircraft electronics but I believe the suggestion was that it had confused the flight computers somehow. I can't quite see how wind could cause this, but the wind down here today has been very strong. So if it is indeed possible, then we certainly have the right circumustances for this to occur.

            My experience from watching Air Crash Investigation programs is that these crahses are never the result of one mistake/fault/error. There is allways a sequence of events and so I don't think we can rule out any theories just because they are not possible under normal conditions.

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            • #36
              I'd like to congraulate the crew for getting the plane down considering the cirumstances from what we know, I hope get the recognition they deserve.
              John Poshepny

              If the Wright brother were alive today Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs.— Herb Kelleher, Southwest Airlines, 'USA Today,' 1994

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              • #37
                wow, that doesn't look too good, good thing everyone survived, though, the 777 no longer has a clean hull loss record, but as long as everyone lived, its good!

                yes i am a boeing fan, and i know thats a airbus, haha

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                • #38
                  The pilot made an emergency landing in Manchester, England, about 160 miles short of London, because the Boeing 747 ran low on fuel after facing headwinds that were stronger than expected, the Federal Aviation Administration said.
                  IIRC, this was the incident that occured in Feb. 2005 - in which the aircraft damaged the engine upon takeoff from LAX, however - the crew decided to continue to the U.K. in order to avoid incurring huge fines (due to EU stipulations for delays and the like). The response (to the incident) was most interesting in that there was a disagreement between the FAA and UK authorities over whether the captain took the correct coruse of action. According to UK, and BA standards - it was acceptable to fly with 3 engines (and not be able to achieve their reccomended cruising altitude - which equated to greater feul burn).
                  Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.

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                  • #39
                    I hate threads like this, i have been trying to avoid it since i herd the news this afternoon. I wish people would not speculate on what happened or what could have happened. That is for the Uk AAIB to discover and when they publish their report we can all find out as it will be on their website. If you dont know the web adress here it is:
                    www.aaib.gov.uk
                    We should all be very greatfull that the crew executed a safe emergancy landing and everyone got out safe. The effect if the aircraft had landed short even by a small distance does not bear worth thinking about.

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                    • #40
                      ^I agree Ollie!

                      ad.com had a good thread on it.....Chris, the site down?


                      From what we've heard, there was a power failure, so it will be a waiting game until the investigation is done.
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                      • #41
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                        • #42
                          Thank God everyone survived. The pilot's skills saved lives. Could this be the first written-off 777?

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                          • #43


                            here a vid of the landing. Such a high AoA ! Almost A330 style

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cam
                              ^I agree Ollie!

                              ad.com had a good thread on it.....Chris, the site down?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Arrow

                                Last one out, hit the lights!

                                Chris Kilroy
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                                Oh my goodness! It feels like the day TWA died all over again (and I didn't even participate in those forums...).
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