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  • This post by Airasia shows last radar contact at FL290

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    • AirAsia have released this photograph

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      65% of the aircraft cargo still intact
      I think the photo is taken from the screen of another device hence the reflection.
      AirDisaster.com Forum Member 2004-2008

      Originally posted by orangehuggy
      the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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      • Originally posted by James Bond View Post
        40 bodies have been recovered from the water: Strait Times
        Only six confirmed.

        Bad weather and strong tides hamper efforts to retrieve victims and wreckage from AirAsia flight QZ8501 which crashed into the Java Sea on Sunday.

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        • Search temporary halted due to weather.

          Stormy weather has forced Indonesian rescuers to suspend their search for wreckage, bodies and the black boxes of doomed AirAsia flight QZ8501, which plunged into the water at the weekend carrying 162 people.

          Waves of between two and three metres and winds prevented divers from searching the crash zone for the sunken remains of the flight, which vanished on Sunday about 40 minutes into its flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore.

          Air force rescue coordinator SB Supriyadi told AFP rescuers were experiencing bad weather.

          "Rains and winds prevented us from resuming the search operation this morning," he said.

          Searchers found three bodies on Wednesday morning (local time), including a flight attendant still wearing her AirAsia uniform, bringing the total to six so far, said the head of the search and rescue agency, Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo.

          Aviation experts believe that, weather permitting, the fuselage may be easily found by divers as the aircraft probably only broke up when it hit the water.

          Fully clothed bodies could also indicate the plane was intact when it hit the water and support a theory that the Airbus A320-200 suffered an aerodynamic stall and plunged into the sea.

          "The fact that the debris appears fairly contained suggests the aircraft broke up when it hit the water, rather than in the air," said Neil Hansford, a former pilot and chairman of consultancy firm Strategic Aviation Solutions

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          • Wall Street Journal report:

            Early Wednesday, Indonesia’s search and rescue agency said it had obtained a sonar image that might be the main body of the missing jet on the floor of the Java Sea.

            The agency said the image appears to show an airplane upside down on the ocean floor in 24-30 meters of water. The image was obtained Tuesday afternoon by an Indonesian Navy ship that is part of the ongoing search and recovery effort.

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            • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post

              I don't want to get into this again but, against my will, I will:
              - The Ethipian plane hit the water in quite a bank and quite fast, the pilots were fighting and wrestling with the kidnappers.
              - We had this other 737 that ditched short of the runway and stopped just short of the sea wall. This plane remained essentially intact and the pilots were not even attempting to ditch. It was a CFIT.
              - Sully did not a great job in the ditching itself. He established the last portion of the glide with insufficient speed, fleared too soon, pushed the stick fully back, and the stall protection of the A320 FBW kicked in to prevent a stall, yet the vertical speed at impact was several times higher than what Airbus recommends for a ditching, and was in the "hard" side of a normal landing. That said Sully was BRILLIANT in how he managed the emergency situation as a whole.
              Not off topic at all. I was using the two incidents to illustrate the fine line between a successful ditching and a total destruction ditching. The type of impact was being discussed by several contributors.......including http://forums.jetphotos.net/showpost...&postcount=114
              That's the problem with the typed word, intention and meaning often get lost.
              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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              • A few facts to help clarify things...

                Originally posted by Evan View Post
                The seas were likely very choppy that night (...)
                -> The accident happened during daylight. Sunrise in Jakarta (a little bit to the west of where the accident occurred) was at 5:40 local time.

                Originally posted by AVION1 View Post
                Who is going to take charge of the investigations? the Europeans (BEA) or the NTSB?
                -> Normally, the country where the accident happened is in charge, but will ask agencies with more expertise and experience to help, if their own resources are limited. In this case, Indonesia is the lead country.
                The BEA is not a European agency, but French (BEA standing for Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile), while Germany for example has the BFU (Bundesstelle für Flugunfalluntersuchung) or the British have the AAIB (Air Accident Investigations Branch).

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                • Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View Post
                  -> The accident happened during daylight. Sunrise in Jakarta (a little bit to the west of where the accident occurred) was at 5:40 local time.
                  The seas were likely very choppy that IMC morning (...)

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                  • The BBC are reporting one body recovered was wearing a life jacket. Does this indicate it ditched and floated briefly, or would procedure normally mean passengers would be told to put life jacket on and had time to do so?
                    Or is this report false?

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                    • Originally posted by sjwk View Post
                      The BBC are reporting one body recovered was wearing a life jacket. Does this indicate it ditched and floated briefly, or would procedure normally mean passengers would be told to put life jacket on and had time to do so?
                      Or is this report false?
                      In flight break ups are terrible to think about. According to autopsies, a few folks sometimes survive the several minute free fall. Its unlikely but maybe someone managed to get their jacket out and on?

                      Or

                      The reports are wrong.

                      In the realm of speculation is if there were indications that folks were largely unrestrained.
                      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                      • Originally posted by AVHerald
                        On Dec 31st 2014 the chairman of Indonesia's Search and Rescue Service stated in an evening press conference, that earlier reports about the fuselage having been located have been incorrect, the search is still ongoing, so far - referring to a report by CNN hitting global headlines - there are no sonar images of the fuselage as well. All valid information concerning QZ-8501 only and only comes from one source, namely the Search and Rescue Service which is currently in charge of the entire operation, the chairman stated with reference to the current information chaos.
                        My guess is that the fuselage HAS been located by sonar and the Indonesian Search and Rescue Service is trying to control that information. Remember from MH370, this is a part of the world where authority abhors transparency and is quite arrogant about that stance.

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                        • Its appears to be an inflight breakup as several bodies recovered were nude suggesting their clothes were blown off during free fall!

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                          • Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                            Not off topic at all. I was using the two incidents to illustrate the fine line between a successful ditching and a total destruction ditching. The type of impact was being discussed by several contributors.......including http://forums.jetphotos.net/showpost...&postcount=114
                            That's the problem with the typed word, intention and meaning often get lost.
                            I meant that my rant was off topic, not yours. Nut in the context you mention, perhaps neither was.

                            In any event, the bottom line is, yes, ditching are potentially disastrous and there is a somehow narrow margin of airspeed, attitude, vertical speed and water conditions to make a very successful one where the plane remains essentially intact.

                            That said, that margin is not as narrow as the legend goes. "If you don't have the exact airspeed, attitude, vertical speed and glassy waters, everybody is dead". Not! The plane can withstand more than that and still remain essentially intact, and then the people can withstand some airplane breakage. Even the 767 that you mention, where the plane was essentially destroyed, had many survivors (and some of them drowned because they had inflated their life vests inside the plane).

                            All that said, this doesn't seem to be a ditching, even less a successful one by any rate.

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                            • Originally posted by phoneman View Post
                              Its appears to be an inflight breakup as several bodies recovered were nude suggesting their clothes were blown off during free fall!
                              Yet other reports say that bodies have been fully clothed suggesting the opposite.

                              Originally posted by avherald
                              On Dec 31st 2014 Indonesia's Search and Rescue Services announced that seven bodies (4 male, 3 female) have been recovered so far. They are being taken to Surabaya. The bodies are intact and dressed, first identification is being done by checking clothes and identity papers
                              I think at the moment there is, like the early days of MH370, a lot of contradictory information and misinformation coming from unofficial sources. Whatever the cause, I think we can now safely say that it did go down. RIP all.

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                              • Let's wait for the information from FDR, but apparently they stalled the airplane:

                                SURABAYA, Indonesia (Reuters) - Radar data being examined by investigators appeared to show that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 made an "unbelievably" steep climb before it crashed, possibly pushing it beyond the Airbus A320's limits, said a source familiar with the probe's initial findings.

                                The data was transmitted before the aircraft disappeared from the screens of air traffic controllers in Jakarta on Sunday, added the source, who declined to be identified.

                                "So far, the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said.
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