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  • BBC Editor Geoffrey Thomas: AirAsia flight QZ8501 may "have have been caught in a severe thunderstorm updraft"

    At least 40 bodies have been recovered from the sea off Indonesia in the search for the missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501, the Indonesian navy says.

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    • Two debris fields?

      There seem to be two areas of debris - 'debris and bodies' looking like from an aircraft 5nm from last radar position, plus another debris field including parts identified as being from an Air Asia aircraft, but that is 54nm SE of last radar position, so opposite to direction of flight. (with searching now focussed on the second location).

      What is the prevailing sea current direction there? Why would some material drift 50nm or so while other material didn't?

      If there are two fields and both are linked to the incident, would that imply some sort of mid-air partial breakup depositing some debris while the main body turned and glided in the opposite direction? Or is this sort of widespread debris normal?

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      • Apparently (BBC reporting) Indonesian Air Force search plane reported seeing 'shadow' in shape of plane underwater. AVherald reporting the same, but also saying depth of 25-30m. So if intact and at low depth, recovering flight recorders should be relatively straightforward?

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        • Originally posted by ultraflight View Post
          Why not include a self-detaching & self-actuating beacon that floats, on all passenger airliners?
          Here's one possible option already in production

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          Originally posted by orangehuggy
          the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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          • 40 bodies have been recovered from the water: Strait Times
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            Originally posted by orangehuggy
            the most dangerous part of a flight is not the take off or landing anymore, its when a flight crew member goes to the toilet

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            • Bodies found:
              - Indonesian rescue personnel are descending into the water to retrieve bodies and debris found in the area, about 10km away from where the plane was last seen on the radar. The navy has said via AFP that it has picked up more than 40 bodies from the area so far.
              - Indonesia's search and rescue chief says he is "95 per cent sure" that the debris found so far belong to the missing aircraft. Next-of-kin of the passengers and crew have also been informed to this effect.

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              • Originally posted by AVHerald
                The aircraft is broken up into several large parts but well recognizeable.
                So not a high speed vertical impact.

                Perhaps a high vertical speed, low forward speed impact...

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                • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                  So not a high speed vertical impact.

                  Perhaps a high vertical speed, low forward speed impact...
                  Could it have pancaked in like Air France 447?

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                  • Originally posted by Jpmkam View Post
                    Could it have pancaked in like Air France 447?
                    Yes, of course.
                    It could also be an unsuccessful ditching.
                    Or a CFIT (unlikely).
                    Or an in-flight break-up in several big parts.

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                    • and once again, no mention of pingers being heard. a bit irrelevant given they found the plane, but my point is that seem not to work worth a damn. or is that no one bothered listening this time>

                      frankly, it is quite apparent that all involved would rather spend billions trying to locate a missing a/c than several million upfront to make sure they can find it easily later on.

                      plainly, human deployable elt's might as well be stuffed up someone's arse since they've proven to be 100% worthless.

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                      • Would be nice if we stopped making wild speculations about the cause of the crash and stopped for a while to remember that 162 people died two days ago and that there are others left grieving for their loss

                        RIP.
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                        • Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
                          and once again, no mention of pingers being heard. a bit irrelevant given they found the plane, but my point is that seem not to work worth a damn. or is that no one bothered listening this time>

                          frankly, it is quite apparent that all involved would rather spend billions trying to locate a missing a/c than several million upfront to make sure they can find it easily later on.

                          plainly, human deployable elt's might as well be stuffed up someone's arse since they've proven to be 100% worthless.
                          It takes time to get the underwater detectors and trained operators deployed.

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                          • Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                            Would be nice if we stopped making wild speculations about the cause of the crash and stopped for a while to remember that 162 people died two days ago and that there are others left grieving for their loss

                            RIP.
                            Amen to that.

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                            • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                              It could also be an unsuccessful ditching.
                              But wouldn't the passengers in this case been wearing life-vests?

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                              • Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                                Yes, of course.
                                It could also be an unsuccessful ditching.
                                Or a CFIT (unlikely).
                                Or an in-flight break-up in several big parts.
                                The head of the search operation, Mr Soelistyo, said that a shadow was also spotted under the water, which appeared to be in the shape of a plane.
                                If 'airplane shaped' is accurate (BIG IF) then the pieces must lie very close together, meaning they came apart on a low forward speed impact or came apart after impact. The seas were likely very choppy that night so I imagine a ditching would end badly, with a more dispersed, less airplanesque 'shape'.

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