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  • Sounds like debris has been positively identified as having been from 370.

    Or maybe Malaysia is just making statements that will be retracted.

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    • For whatever it's worth at this moment:


      Malaysia's prime minister has announced that missing flight MH370 crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

      Najib Razak said this was the conclusion of fresh analysis of satellite data tracking the flight.

      Malaysia Airlines had told the families of the 239 people on board, he said.

      Earlier the BBC saw a text message sent to families by the airline saying it had to be assumed "beyond reasonable doubt" that the plane was lost and there were no survivors.

      Flight MH370 disappeared after taking off on 8 March from Kuala Lumpur.

      The announcement by PM Najib Razak, at a late-night news conference, came on the fifth day of an international search effort in the southern Indian Ocean.

      Based on new analysis, the UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch and Inmarsat, the UK company that provided satellite data, "have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," Mr Razak said.

      "This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

      Mr Razak appealed to the media to respect the privacy of the families of the passengers and crew, saying the wait for information had been heartbreaking and this latest news harder still.

      The text message sent to families by Malaysia Airlines announcing the loss of the plane said: "Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived... we must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean."


      Malaysia's PM announces hope is over for missing flight MH370, after new satellite analysis shows it went down in the southern Indian Ocean.

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      • Originally posted by Peter Kesternich View Post
        For whatever it's worth at this moment:
        I've read a couple of updates... the word "assumes" still appear. I hope they are not just making these things up to retract from further costs in search efforts. On the other hand, there seems to be a buzz of confidence... it seems some of the statements don't carry official confirmation yet is being released as fact! This is why I still wonder. But we wait in anticipation.

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        • After this official statement we really need to see evidence, otherwise it just got worse. Hopefully there is a lot more to the story than what we have been told through the official channels.

          There will be daylight in the area in about six hours from now.
          Duration of daylight in Perth is ~12 hours at this time of the year, (autumn equinox just occurred). We should hopefully see the first objects (if they exist) within that period.

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          • I was slightly surprised (although the way this investigation has gone, I really shouldn't be) by this part:
            Earlier the BBC saw a text message sent to families by the airline
            They were informed of this by text message? Is that normal?

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            • Originally posted by sjwk View Post
              I was slightly surprised (although the way this investigation has gone, I really shouldn't be) by this part:


              They were informed of this by text message? Is that normal?

              That is apparently true.
              It may seem insensitive, however we should keep in mind that the relatives are spread across several continents, and not necessarily available in one place. It may be true to say that they already knew there was little or no hope after 17 days. It may have been difficult bordering to impossible to reach several hundred persons in a short timespan once the decision was taken to publicise the latest findings.
              My sincere sympathies to those who expressed their grief in live television at the press conference. They gave the media all they asked for. Unfortunately, the camera people were only thinking of making "good television".

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              • "The Prime Minister based his announcement on what he described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data sent by the plane by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis."
                - obviously information is being kept back again and they know more than they are telling.

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                • The revelation that flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean is based on new analysis by UK investigators and the British satellite firm Inmarsat, Malaysia's prime minister has said.
                  Najib Razak said relatives of the flight's 239 passengers and crew had been told of the "heartbreaking" news.
                  Inmarsat used new techniques to detect the plane's course, he said.
                  The UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch, which probes serious civil aircraft incidents, was also involved.
                  (...)
                  Mr Razak's announcement came as the international search effort reached a fifth day of operations in the southern Indian Ocean.
                  Inmarsat has told the BBC it gave the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) the new data on Sunday - stressing it needed to be checked before it was made public.
                  The firm said its latest calculation involved a large amount of data analysis, focusing on a number of factors including the movements of other aircraft.
                  It involved an entirely new way of modelling which is why the analysis took some time, the firm said.
                  A spokeswoman for the AAIB said: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search.
                  "We are not able to comment further on this investigation, which is being led by the Malaysian authorities."
                  Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC it was significant that Inmarsat had been tracking satellite data, rather than locations.
                  "The algorithms and the techniques they've applied to try and locate to within a certain area where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."
                  Dr Boxall continued: "They [Inmarsat] started from scratch. They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks, so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.
                  "So they've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."
                  He added Inmarsat "wouldn't have released this sort of information without being 100% certain".
                  Philip Baum, editor of Aviation Security International Magazine, said the mystery of the missing Boeing 777 jet had not been solved.
                  "We still believe there was a deliberate act that took place on board the flight deck inside the cockpit that resulted in the aircraft turning and heading south," he said.
                  "Indeed, south of the next landmass would have been Antarctica. So until we find the black box we're really not going to know anything more."
                  Airline pilot Peter Benn said finding some of the wreckage could help explain what happened to the plane.
                  He told the BBC: "I don't think anyone should underestimate the magnitude of that task. It is a vast undertaking, suffice to say if some debris can be recovered it would provide an awful lot of clues."
                  Mr Razak told a news conference in Kuala Lumpur that work by the AAIB and Inmarsat had revealed MH370's last position was in the ocean west of Perth, Australia.
                  "This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that - according to this new data - flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," he said.
                  He added that for the relatives of those on board, "the past few weeks have been heartbreaking. I know this news must be harder still".
                  Malaysia Airlines said all relatives of those on board had been informed "face-to-face by our top management" at hotels where they were waiting, as well as by text message.
                  Boeing said in a statement: "Our thoughts and deepest sympathies continue to be with the families and loved ones of those aboard."
                  Royal Navy ship HMS Echo is due to arrive in the area on Tuesday to help with the search.
                  The conclusion that flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean is based on analysis by British investigators and a UK satellite firm, Malaysia's prime minister says.

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                  • Originally posted by Andy the newbie
                    ...[something way off base]...
                    Originally posted by Boeing Bobby
                    ...[a harsh but correct correction]...
                    Originally posted by Those and others
                    ...[continued debate]...
                    Myndee who?

                    Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                    • More on the latest news:

                      On Mar 24th 2014 Malaysia's Prime Minster called for an unscheduled press conference at 10pm local time (14:00Z). Families of occupants of the aircraft in Beijing have been called in to a short term meeting, and there are reports the families of occupants have been booked onto charter flights to Australia. Relatives in Kuala Lumpur have commenced a meeting at 21:30L.

                      In the press conference on Mar 24th 2014 Malaysia's Prime Minister said, that the experts of the AAIB briefed the prime minister stating that the satellite experts have done further computations on the satellite data using methods never used before. Based on the new computations Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded MH-370 flew the southern corridor with its final position west of Perth, Australia at a remote area of the Indian Ocean with no landing sites. "It is with deep sadness and regret I must inform you that, according to these new data, flight MH-370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean", the Prime Minister stated.

                      Shortly after the Prime Minister's press conference on Mar 24th 2014 Malaysia Airlines released their statement given to relatives of the occupants stating: "Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia’s Prime Minister, new analysis of satellite data suggests the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean."

                      Shortly after the PM's press conference of Mar 24th 2014 Inmarsat reported that the new analysis of their satellite data used to identify the corridor and final location was based on the Doppler effects modifying radio waves and frequencies depending on speed and direction of travel of the aircraft, these data were compared to other flights. The computations are not precise enough to give the accurate position, however, made it possible to identify the general location. The new modelling and comparism were developed after the first discovery of the data on Mar 11th 2014, the work is still in progress.
                      Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation


                      So, now it seems like fact that it crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, away from any possible landing site.

                      Half (or more) of the theories have just vanished.

                      I love how they develop investigative techniques after-the-fact. A lot has been discussed about how to fit planes with some technology to facilitate its location in cases like this. But almost nothing about how to find it with the technology that was available at the time of the event. A lot of creativity, teamwork and science put at work here, and knowledge has grown. Congratulations!

                      --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                      --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                      • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                        ...All I'm saying is that the internet forums are polluted with combative uninformed noise by people who have little respect for learning. Pprune is largely immune from that...
                        When did they change?
                        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                        • Well, there´s a point
                          Having said that, amongst the debris in pprune there is plenty of good folks who know what they are talking about.

                          Interesting thought stolen from pprune; adding GPS location to the ping responses in the inmarsat protocol would make disappearing a little more difficult. Given that such information does not get publicised of course. Else, there is one more 'breaker to identify and pull to get privacy...

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                          • Until actual wreckage is recovered and identified, all they can actually conclude is that MH-370 was last positioned there. Yes, they would have run out of fuel and there was no possibility for landing in that region IF the fuel on board can be established as being true to the fuel order. A minor technicality perhaps but I think it is best to cross all your t's before making conclusive statements based on inference rather than evidence.

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                            • Originally posted by Evan View Post
                              Until actual wreckage is recovered and identified, all they can actually conclude is that MH-370 was last positioned there. Yes, they would have run out of fuel and there was no possibility for landing in that region IF the fuel on board can be established as being true to the fuel order. A minor technicality perhaps but I think it is best to cross all your t's before making conclusive statements based on inference rather than evidence.
                              There´s an important point! If, despite all investigations, the ´plane took on considerably more fuel than reported, then the assumption of where it flamed out will be wrong.
                              Nobody thought what we now are spectators to could happen in reality, so lets not make too many quick assumptions. Only facts will tell. Hopefully there will soon be physical evidence, and speculation will cease.

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                              • Have we conclusively ruled out the possibility that it landed and refuelled somewhere?

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