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Originally posted by elaw View PostThis could be the huge breakthrough in airline safety we've been waiting for. UAL management apparently has just hit upon the idea of telling pilots not to make mistakes!
United Airlines has issued a stern warning to its pilots after mistakes in the cockpit put passenger planes in potential danger.
Why didn't someone think of that earlier?
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Now, I agree with all these critics to United's memo, but this is something that I didn't expect.
"The responsibility is in their hands. If there have been so many safety incidents it's an indication training needs to be improved," the pilot said.
I mean, maybe he/she is right. But don't he/she thinks that maybe the pilots also have some role to play to prevent pilots' mistakes?
I would very much like to see a summary of the mistakes. Because training is one thing. Being a good professional is another.
How many of these mistakes were related to not doing what the pilots were trained and knew they had to do? (like keeping a sterile cockpit in critical phases of flight, aborting an unstabillized approach, etc...)
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...evasive moves to avoid crashing into the ground, performing what's calledan emergency pull up maneuver...
...and wow, media..."an unusually blunt" tone in a memo...yeah, that will certainly reduce errors.
Maybe if Southwest would use "unusually blunt" tones in their maintenance memos Evan wouldn't be seeking out other carriers when they're available.
Of course, I do see a cultural problem...it was these guys who managed to stick every last carry-on bag BUT mine into the baggage compartment and after 1 hour and 50 minutes past scheduled departure and 5 min before push back told folks it would be ok to deplane.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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"The responsibility is in their hands. If there have been so many safety incidents it's an indication training needs to be improved,"
Memos... that's so clueless.
ANNC: "PULL UP, TERRAIN"
PM: Ugh, Bill, aren't you going to pull up?
PF: Why, should I?
PM: Didn't you get the memo?
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Anyone for a "Dilbert" spinoff based on airline ops?
Management understands what they choose to understand, and what they choose to understand is represented by this symbol: "$". Or an equivalent one, depending on what country you're in.
Training and even checkrides consume a lot of "$"... memos are cheap.Be alert! America needs more lerts.
Eric Law
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Originally posted by elaw View PostAnyone for a "Dilbert" spinoff based on airline ops?
Management understands what they choose to understand, and what they choose to understand is represented by this symbol: "$". Or an equivalent one, depending on what country you're in.
Training and even checkrides consume a lot of "$"... memos are cheap.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostI get the firm impression management no longer understands how things work in the trenches. You don't issue stern memos, you provide stern training to address the issues systematically.
It's very hard to address that with just training, but it can be addressed with culture, that is strongly influenced by management policies (the real ones that are executed, not the one written on a paper and hanging from the wall) and their everyday reaction to everyday situations (in both good and bad directions).
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostI tend to disagree here. Not undermining the major effect of training on safety, I bet that most of the everyday mistakes are the result of the pilot (or any other function in any company), intentionally or not, not doing what he very well knew he had to do and was properly trained to do it.
It's very hard to address that with just training, but it can be addressed with culture, that is strongly influenced by management policies (the real ones that are executed, not the one written on a paper and hanging from the wall) and their everyday reaction to everyday situations (in both good and bad directions).
Sending a memo that says (unusually bluntly), "Hey guys, quit screwing up." is kind of lame AND doesn't necessarily delve in to the more important WHY, and does smell of people pushing pencils on the top floor that have not sat in the cockpit for two hours while the only thing ops will say is "monitor frequency"
Of course, I don't think STERN training is THE ONE AND ONLY answer either...(Cue duty hour procedures and a few other things).Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post...dilbert...
[No specific reference to aviation safety intended]
Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostGood God!, I will halfway agree with Evan.
Sending a memo that says (unusually bluntly), "Hey guys, quit screwing up." is kind of lame ...
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