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  • #16
    Originally posted by screaming_emu
    I still don't think its a design flaw. The time I spent in the cirrus I found it to be an awesome airplane. Flies very very well. Most of the accidents are caused by people flying an airplane that is higher performance than they can handle as well as the "well I have a parachute...so I'll fly in any weather/conditions/etc" mentality. Unfortunately its hard to fix stupid/overconfidence.
    Eek. Imagine the wave of crashes if these new VLJ's become as popular as everyone is expecting. One of them is even fork-tailed.

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    • #17
      140 accidents and 50 of them fatal is rather poor I say, latest was a loss of 4 occupants
      in Germany.
      "The real CEO of the 787 project is named Potemkin"

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      • #18
        The only thing positive is the fact that this thread that was dead for over a year was resurrected
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        • #19
          I miss that guy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Alessandro View Post
            140 accidents and 50 of them fatal is rather poor I say, latest was a loss of 4 occupants
            in Germany.
            ITS is now back and furthermore 3 Cirruses has had accidents, one fatal in Marocco, one write-off in the US and one lucky escape in the US.
            "The real CEO of the 787 project is named Potemkin"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Alessandro View Post
              ITS is now back and furthermore 3 Cirruses has had accidents, one fatal in Marocco, one write-off in the US and one lucky escape in the US.
              And the Cirrus continues to be a cheap composite cracker box.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by IntheShade View Post
                And the Cirrus continues to be a cheap composite cracker box.
                Concur.
                "The real CEO of the 787 project is named Potemkin"

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                • #23
                  Indubitably.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Leftseat86 View Post
                    I miss that guy.
                    Me too - great to see him back.
                    Yet another AD.com convert!

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                    • #25
                      Bad design?

                      Forgive me if I sound ignorant here. I have seen the result of the cirrus. Every Butt technician, Vaginal Specialist and doggie doctor seems to have one, but what in the design makes it a dangerous aircraft? It seems to be designed like every other new composite pocket rocket out there.

                      Tim

                      P.S. Good to have you back ITS
                      Life is good

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AVIATIONFASCINATION View Post
                        Forgive me if I sound ignorant here. I have seen the result of the cirrus. Every Butt technician, Vaginal Specialist and doggie doctor seems to have one, but what in the design makes it a dangerous aircraft? It seems to be designed like every other new composite pocket rocket out there.

                        Tim

                        P.S. Good to have you back ITS
                        The parachute makes it poorly balanced thatīs my opinion why the Cirrus is such poor record, composite is just part of the equation.
                        "The real CEO of the 787 project is named Potemkin"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AVIATIONFASCINATION View Post
                          Forgive me if I sound ignorant here. I have seen the result of the cirrus. Every Butt technician, Vaginal Specialist and doggie doctor seems to have one, but what in the design makes it a dangerous aircraft? It seems to be designed like every other new composite pocket rocket out there.

                          Tim

                          P.S. Good to have you back ITS
                          The aircraft can not be recovered from some spins. To gain certification, Cirrus installed the BSRB system.

                          The aircraft is a high performance single engined aircraft. As such it tends to be flown by some pilots that need better skills before transitioning from a C-172 into the Cirrus. Composite material contributes to the aircraft's performance.

                          In short it has replaced the "Vee" tailed Bonanza as the flying doctor killer.
                          Don
                          Standard practice for managers around the world:
                          Ready - Fire - Aim! DAMN! Missed again!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dmmoore View Post
                            The aircraft can not be recovered from some spins. To gain certification, Cirrus installed the BSRB system.
                            The official word is that the BSRB was a design input from scratch (there's even a famous story about how the Cirrus founder survived a mid-air by pure luck and how he decided then that his aircraft would give more than luck for a second chance).

                            The official word goes on saying that once the BSRB was decided, and once it was noted that the FAA would accept that in lieu of spincertification, they decided not to do the spin certification to avoid certification cost and time.

                            At least one test pilot commented that spins were made in the Cirrus during test flights, and that the airplane recovered from them with the typical procedures, but that they did not test the whole spin matrix requiered for certification.

                            That's, of course the official word.

                            Whatever is it in reality, and while I like the whole-airframe parachute concept (not to the point to put it too high in my priorities unless requiered like in the Cirrus), the fact that a plane used it in lieu of spin certification, in my opinion, sucks.

                            I'd also like to see the parachutes (in the Cirrus or anywhere else) certified to Vne (so the piolt can, given enough altitude, exhaust the attempt to recover it by flying it before pulling the red handle) and not to a speed that can be legally and normally exceeded even in level cruise flight.

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                            • #29
                              The greatest thing that Cirrus did was marketing.

                              It took a design that did not meet spin certification, equipped it with a parachute to get certified and then sold that to the public as a safety enhancement.

                              Marketing, marketing, marketing......

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                              • #30
                                I too may have a different reaction to the BSRB system if it were deployable under all flight conditions. "But" I contend that the usefulness of a deploy at any time system is still limited to structural failure or an IFR engine failure. Almost all other conditions would be better served by better pilot training.
                                Don
                                Standard practice for managers around the world:
                                Ready - Fire - Aim! DAMN! Missed again!

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