If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
UPS Cargo Jet Crashes Near Birmingham Shuttlesworth International Airport
W
05:43AM 33.8230 -86.7190 206° SW 288 533 9.500 -3.960 Level FlightAware
05:44AM 33.7760 -86.7480 207° SW 275 509 5.500 -5.520 Descending FlightAware
05:44AM 33.7247 -86.7489 207° SW 278 515 2.600 -1.860 Descending Atlanta Center
05:45AM 33.6644 -86.7469 178° S 248 459 2.500 -420 Descending Atlanta Center
05:46AM 33.6206 -86.7456 178° S 200 370 1.800 -540 Descending Atlanta Center
05:47AM 33.5681 -86.7539 188° S 191 354 1.500 -300 Descending Atlanta Center
By my amateur Google Maps reckoning, they were about 7 seven miles out, not yet at the FAF and more or less on the glidepath when the VS is reduced to -420. But that last coordinate at 1500' puts them over the field, which is not possible.
Anyway, VS doesn't seem to indicate an unstablized approach. But is that ground speed before the altitude?
AND....7000 feet is not that short of a runway. I know we all think of big airports and 10K feet+ runways, but I'm thinking the average landing roll of an airliner making a normal landing with passenger comfort in mind is roughly 5000 feet- to say nothing of a concerted effort to make a short landing.
AFAIK, an A300-600F at MLW needs about 7300'. So start from there...
Pilots: I'm curious, during a normal approach clearly at some 'point' GPWS will not sound because the aircraft obviously will touch the ground (the runway).
So at what point during an approach does GPWS 'know' not to sound - and in this incident would the GPWS have sounded given that we know they clipped trees .5 + mile out i.e. below the GS?
I'm probably not asking this question quite the right way but I'm sure you will understand my query.
A few more sketches, the folks in the newly-built houses (2 of which were right in the path) (see blue circles - houses appear to be fairly new as they are not shown in the slightly earlier image) are probably feeling pretty lucky given this unfortunate incident.
O.K. Lets see, over 30 years and still a private pilot with single engine only.
No commercial, instrument, or multi.
But you are an expert aren't you!
I'm not that different from Avion...Soloed at 18, now I'm 53 and am stuck at 100 hours...
...and I have said some very wrong things in aviation forums over the years (not that different from Avion)
(by the way, so has our beloved Gabriel who is also a Private Pilot Parlour Talker).
But, if I say something wrong, I appreciate correction (and guess what- in some instances that correction has come with some harsheness from folks such as ITS and Flyboy)
So, 30 years of reading aviation magazines, books (and worse yet, Internet forums). You learn some things.
You do not learn other things.
Sometimes you learn when someone like Bobby, ITS or Flyboy lays into you, other times it's more gentle from VNav or Synder.
Of course, some people refuse to learn. Those folks tend to make me a little harsh too.
A broad statement that "the autopilot is typically switched off at 9000 feet"...sorry, but guess again.
Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
We process personal data about users of our site, through the use of cookies and other technologies, to deliver our services, personalize advertising, and to analyze site activity. We may share certain information about our users with our advertising and analytics partners. For additional details, refer to our Privacy Policy.
By clicking "I AGREE" below, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our personal data processing and cookie practices as described therein. You also acknowledge that this forum may be hosted outside your country and you consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the country where this forum is hosted.
Comment