Qantas pilots grounded after argument‎

[James Bond]

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...820-24iri.html

QANTAS has stood down two pilots who had a heated argument in the cockpit of a Boeing 747 jumbo on the tarmac at Dallas's international airport.

Just weeks after Qantas stood down a captain for returning a positive alcohol reading, it has emerged that another captain and a second officer on a 747-400 had an argument over the take-off calculations they should be punching into the passenger jet's computer system.

[orangehuggy]

The downside of crm I guess the fo won't shut up

[TheKiecker]

Sounds like good lovin' gone bad.

[Passion for flying]

I suppose they forgot, in the heat of the moment, that there's a cockpit voice recorder. One of the guys decides to take the matter upstairs, and the brass ask for the tape. Suddenly the career is on a slippery slope.

[Evan]

At least it didn't involve an axe this time...

[snydersnapshots]

Originally Posted by orangehuggy

The downside of crm I guess the fo won't shut up

If the FO is right, then he shouldn't shut up...

After the captains brief, they usually ask if there are any questions. This FO's reply is:

"I'll do my best to keep you out of the Chief Pilot's office, away from the FAA, and off of CNN."

If FO's and SO's had been a little less afraid to speak up and captains a little more willing to listen, Tenerife would be known as just another one of the Canary Islands...

[Passion for flying]

One of them may have had his numbers wrong. The other one argued against what was either wrong (potential saftey issue) or right (argument unfounded). In either way, if there´s a dispute over a potential air safety issue, and the two pilots can not resolve the issue, then Quantas did the right thing to ground them.
They should be sent to two training sessions.
One should address their competence in calculating take off parameters
The other should address their social behaviour and focus on the matter at hand, solving the task.
I do not know which worries me most, pilots getting the weights and balances numbers wrong or pilots having a fight in the cockpit...

[SYDCBRWOD]

Originally Posted by Passion for flying

or pilots having a fight in the cockpit...

You missed Snyder's point: If the copilot hadn't argued there may have been another incorrect weight takeoff like that EK experienced in MEL a while ago - and it may not have ended as well.

The right action was taken (as there would have been disharmony in the cockpit), both pilots checked aferwards as to why they disagreed - then remedial training for the one (or both if both stuffed it up) who got it wrong.

Prefer this course of action to a bent airframe and dead people.