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Originally posted by brianw999 View PostIn every airport I've been through, and that's a lot, including US airports you cannot enter the baggage area from land side. As a flight arrival you go through immigration, then the baggage hall and finally customs.
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Originally posted by elaw View PostSeriously?
The last box of ammo I looked at said "dangerous within one mile" on it. Please cite an example of anyone ever doing harm to someone from a mile away with a club.
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as usual;, this tragedy has devolved into a "legal" gun debate.
face it. there are so many guns in circulation in the us that even if ALL guns were outlawed tomorrow, shit like this would continue to happen for decades.
if you outlaw ALL guns at airports, people like esteban will open fire elsewhere.
this is the stereotypical gringo response: go hog wild AFTER the event, and make a monstrous case out of a small, but tragic event, to drum up fear and who knows what else.
the airport was closed, along with nearby MAIN roads for 20 hours. really? round up the injured, the dead, take pictures of the scene and get on with life. 200 idiot cops standing around earning overtime pay AFTER the fact does NOTHING!!!!!
such bullshit.............
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Originally posted by TeeVee View Postas usual;, this tragedy has devolved into a "legal" gun debate.
face it. there are so many guns in circulation in the us that even if ALL guns were outlawed tomorrow, shit like this would continue to happen for decades.
if you outlaw ALL guns at airports, people like esteban will open fire elsewhere.
this is the stereotypical gringo response: go hog wild AFTER the event, and make a monstrous case out of a small, but tragic event, to drum up fear and who knows what else.
the airport was closed, along with nearby MAIN roads for 20 hours. really? round up the injured, the dead, take pictures of the scene and get on with life. 200 idiot cops standing around earning overtime pay AFTER the fact does NOTHING!!!!!
such bullshit.............
While I would love that guns are outlawed from everyone but law enforcement and military, this clearly can't happen without a constitutional amendment, which is almost impossible in today's political reality. But I believe that doing a background check, requesting an operation and safety training course and taking an exam to give someone a permit to posses a gun (or guns), plus recording every gun to a gun owner, and mandating that private guns sells are documented with a transfer of the tittle of ownership of the gun, are not against the constitutional right. This is what it is already happening with the possession and use of another tool that can kill: cars. Again, the event triggered the comment, not the opinion.
And if it will take decades for things to improve after that change, then let's start now!!! Maybe my children will benefit from the improvement.
I agree with the rest of what you say. The overreaction is ridiculous, it seems designed more to SHOW that "we are doing something" than to produce any practical effect.
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Originally posted by Gabriel View PostIn my particular case, while I commented it here after the fact, my opinion was always that you can't give away guns, that are designed to kill, with less requisites that you give driving licences.
While I would love that guns are outlawed from everyone but law enforcement and military, this clearly can't happen without a constitutional amendment, which is almost impossible in today's political reality. But I believe that doing a background check, requesting an operation and safety training course and taking an exam to give someone a permit to posses a gun (or guns), plus recording every gun to a gun owner, and mandating that private guns sells are documented with a transfer of the tittle of ownership of the gun, are not against the constitutional right. This is what it is already happening with the possession and use of another tool that can kill: cars. Again, the event triggered the comment, not the opinion.
(CNN)When Esteban Santiago was in an Alaska FBI office in November, saying his mind was being controlled by US intelligence, he left two things in the car. A gun and his newborn child.
The Army veteran's rambling walk-in interview at the Anchorage office was concerning enough for authorities to take away his gun and order a mental health evaluation. But it wasn't enough to get him mentally adjudicated, which would have prohibited Santiago from owning a firearm.
Santiago got the gun back a month later when he retrieved the pistol from police headquarters, and it was that weapon, law enforcement sources told CNN, that he used to kill five people and wound six others at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Friday.
He only checked one bag, a gun case containg a 9mm handgun. He had a one-way ticket.
Sooooo many warning signs on this one. So many opportunities to prevent it.
But America is still fast asleep, and law enforcement is either powerless or inept. It's as if nothing has changed since 9/11 (there were fairly blatant warning signs for that one too). It's shameful.
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Originally posted by TeeVee View Postas usual;, this tragedy has devolved into a "legal" gun debate.
this is the stereotypical gringo response: go hog wild AFTER the event, and make a monstrous case out of a small, but tragic event, to drum up fear and who knows what else.
That's like saying, in the wake of a structural failure crash, "Now is not the time to discuss structural weaknesses".
When the wake-up call comes along, that IS the most obvious time to discuss the problem.
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostIs there a "mentally unstable" card these people get or what? How is an airline to know?
or, since that seems politically impossible at the moment...
One way ticket, no luggage, one checked firearm: DIscreet call to security. I'm sorry Mr. Santiago but we need you to come with us...
Airline operators can refuse to convey anything they feel presents a threat. They have infamously taken passengers off flights for speaking in Arabic. It would be nice if they used their heads instead.
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Originally posted by Evan View PostOne way ticket, no luggage, one checked firearm...
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I remember when I left Saudi Arabia on KLM via Schiphol at the end of my contract. I took my Scuba gear home with me but had to put some of it in my hand baggage for space and weight reasons. So, in went fins, mask and snorkel, weight belt ...... and a 12 inch long dive knife ! It never crossed my mind that the knife wouldn't be appreciated, after all it was sporting equipment !
Security at Yanbu regional airport and Jeddah International didn't bat an eyelid until I got to Schiphol for the short hop to Heathrow. They went apeshit at me. I was slammed face first up the wall, very roughly searched and questioned in a very hard manner by the hardest faced female security officer that you ever did see. They eventually accepted my explanation.....and let me onto the aircraft still carrying the knife. !! This was 1995 well before Al Qaeda and 9/11. I still have a chuckle when I think back on that one.If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostNot that uncommon when leaving Alaska, especially for ex-military. People tend to ship stuff home from there rather than deal with the hassle of carrying it, so that in and of itself was not much of a red flag.
as for how to prevent this type of thing, while we will NEVER be able to stop all forms of crazies from doing ALL forms of crazy, there is zero need to travel with ammunition. wanna use your firearm at your destination? buy ammo when you land. as for those that feel the desperate, insatiable need to carry their weapon the second they walk out the terminal door, go ahead and hang that holster on your belt...without ammo.
i have a concealed carry permit though i almost never carry the damn thing and have traveled with my gun a few times. i am quite happy to travel without it.
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Originally posted by ATLcrew View PostIs there a "mentally unstable" card these people get or what? How is an airline to know?
I know the general public would have no issues with more "no-fly" types of lists...heck, keep 'em off of trains and busses too...how about mall entrances?Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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