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I do not have any knowledge of aviation. But I´ve read that when pilots turn transponder to 7700, this means fuel emergency (I don´t know if this is true). Is it possible that when an aircraft reachs its fuel limits (30 minutes of flight for instance) the trasnponder automatically turns to 7700 ? And not leaving this message for crew´s discretion ?
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Originally posted by Observer View PostI do not have any knowledge of aviation. But I´ve read that when pilots turn transponder to 7700, this means fuel emergency (I don´t know if this is true). Is it possible that when an aircraft reachs its fuel limits (30 minutes of flight for instance) the trasnponder automatically turns to 7700 ? And not leaving this message for crew´s discretion ?
7600 Communications failure
7700 Emergency (equivalent to mayday, any emergency, not just fuel)
But if you are in contact with ATC and they are already tracking you with a code, sometimes is better to leave the code as is. In the same way that you would not tune 125.0 (the emergency frequency).
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Originally posted by Gabriel View Post7500 Hijack
7600 Communications failure
7700 Emergency (equivalent to mayday, any emergency, not just fuel)
But if you are in contact with ATC and they are already tracking you with a code, sometimes is better to leave the code as is. In the same way that you would not tune 125.0 (the emergency frequency).
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostI know you meant 121.5 for Emergency VHF.Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !
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Originally posted by 3WE View PostHi Bobby...thanks for joining the conversation. We are well underway at designing new procedures to help you manage your fuel status...you're welcome.
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Originally posted by BoeingBobby View PostThink I will go with what I have used over the last 45+ years.
Only time you have to much fuel on-board is when you are on fire!
On a more serious note, there are other instances where you may have too much fuel like a double engine failure in a 3 or 4 engines plane. This is more a weight than a fuel issue, but fuel is easier to dump than pax or cargo!
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*Procedures to report fuel remaining at the end of a flight.
-Human reporting
-Automated reporting
-Existing systems?
*Aircraft automatically reports low fuel status to ATC via Transponder (or some other system)
I'm a bit surprised that the ole topics of Pilot Screening and Safety Culture have not_had their usual rants...
Yeah, they've been mentioned, but really, isn't this just a gross failure of the pilots using super basic fundamentals AND (or for Evan) EVEN EXISTING, GOOD, HARD PROCEDURES to plan for fuel, monitor for fuel in flight and act accordingly.
(Yeah, I'm guilty of wanting them to have the excuse of winds throwing them a curve ball, but monitor, bail and declare-an-emergency-if-needed can't really be dismissed...Still do not want to accept them departing with the plan being to arrive with less than 15 min of fuel left.)Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.
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There was an opportunity to catch this before it happened. The flight plan was absurd. EET=Duration??!! Nobody minding that store. There was an opportunity to catch this in flight. Feed tanks low=a master warning, well before full exhaustion, with ample fuel for diversion AND go-around. No one minded that. There is an opportunity to catch these types of violations after they land. Nobody minding that store either. Why aren't revenue flight plans being scrutinized and approved by an aviation authority? Why isn't remaining fuel logged and checked by an aviation authority? Why do we place our faith in pilots who may be under pressure from careless operators? Somewhere, someone has to keep everyone honest, that's part of the social contract, because, without that, we will live in "continual fear, and danger of violent death", and human life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short".
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Originally posted by Evan View PostOr when the fuel exceeds the fuel capacity, as it would have here.
And Gabriel, More often than not in the 747 we take off with more fuel than we can land with. That is what fuel dump systems and overweight landings are for.
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