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  • Fairchild Metroliner Mark III crash on takeoff from Luqa, Malta airport

    A Fairchild Metroliner Mark III, tail number N577MX, operated by CAE Aviation (Luxemburg), on a flight chartered by French Ministry of Defense, crashed Oct 24, shortly after takeoff from Luqa Airport (LMML - Malta). All five occupants (two CAE employees and three French MoD personnel) died in the accident. After initial reports that flight was operated for an European Agency or for French Customs, it surfaced that it was a reconnaissance flight by French special inteligence services, which may raise speculation whether the cause of the crash is accidental or not.

    The last seconds of the flight have been captured on camera by a by-passing car driver
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    Other footages show airport fire servcie first response
    Cinq Français, dont trois personnels du ministère de la Défense, ont été tués ce lundi matin dans le crash d'un avion à Malte. Celui-ci effectuait des missions de reconnaissance en Méditerranée.

  • #2
    is it me or does the plane look inverted?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TeeVee View Post
      is it me or does the plane look inverted?
      If it is you, it is us.

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      • #4
        Sounds like a sudden and unintended propeller pitch reversal in one of the engines, resulting in severe asymmetrical lift over the wings, which flipped the plane over.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
          If it is you, it is us.
          my money is on a cause like the one that fated the ATR...improper handling of a turbo-prop out scenario

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          • #6
            Originally posted by starviego View Post
            Sounds like a sudden and unintended propeller pitch reversal in one of the engines, resulting in severe asymmetrical lift over the wings, which flipped the plane over.
            Please explain how did you get from a 3-seconds video to that.

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            • #7
              As always, lets wait until the flight recorders are examined.
              If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                As always, lets wait until the flight recorders are examined.
                Not necessarily, but "a prop reversal" is at best a possibility at this point, not something that "sounds like it was that".

                If the plane rolled inverted it can be a number of things from an asymmetric stall/snap roll, an uncommanded roll due to flying at below Vmc with one engine inop, an aileron control system rigging issue, pilot incapacitation, an intentional act, an AP failure, a mechanical failure, among other things. I don't see anything that favors a prop reversal over the rest at this point.

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                • #9
                  Is the plane banked to the right or left?
                  First I thought it was to the right.
                  But now it looks to me that it is to the left, past 90 degrees in the beginning, and starting to level off to about 90 degrees at the last of the 3 seconds that the plane is visible in flight. Not sure, though...

                  I used this video:
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                  set to 720 resolution, full screen size, and both frame-by frame (0.25) and normal speed.
                  The whole sequence of the plane in the air is between 0.39 and 0.42.
                  Unfortunately the camera froze for several seconds before 0.39 (so we missed some seconds that the plane would have been visible to the camera before that) and a couple of seconds after 0.42 (so we miss the last part of the flight and the impact). But all the videos I checked are the same in this regards, so it is likely a problem with the original.

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                  • #10
                    I'm curious on how it came to be that the only thing French "special services" could get their hands on was an N-registered, Luxembourgish-operated San Antonio Sewer Pipe. There were no better options?

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                    • #11
                      This report is saying it was engine trouble:

                      Turboprop aircraft crashed outside the Malta airport runway shortly after take-off at 7:30am • Flight was believed to be French Customs operation tracing human and drug trafficking routes • Remains of all five French nationals found

                      "A small-engine aircraft has crashed in Safi after developing engine trouble the minute it took to air from the MIA runway..."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                        Not necessarily, but "a prop reversal" is at best a possibility at this point, not something that "sounds like it was that".

                        If the plane rolled inverted it can be a number of things from an asymmetric stall/snap roll, an uncommanded roll due to flying at below Vmc with one engine inop, an aileron control system rigging issue, pilot incapacitation, an intentional act, an AP failure, a mechanical failure, among other things. I don't see anything that favors a prop reversal over the rest at this point.
                        Don't forget sabotage. A very French word. Apparently this plane was conducting surveillance against human trafficking.

                        A malfunctioning intake sensor caused one of these to roll uncontrollably in the past during go-around. The sensor anomaly resulted in a higher torque on that engine. When the power levers were pulled below flight idle (a no-no) during a botched third attempt and then abuptly advanced to go-around power, the torque split was significant enough to induce roll.

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                        • #13
                          Even though my vast MSFS experience counts for very little, it is pretty darn interesting to throttle back one engine.

                          It takes a very steady hand on things, crazy attention to speed and attitude, (along with the engine problem being one hell of a kinda valid distraction).

                          The advice to "just nose over in a measured, as-needed manner" is not as simple as it sounds- and working automation is pretty helpful.

                          ...BUT...

                          ...get a little bit slow and watch things go to hell virtually- in a manner no too different from this sad reality.
                          Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                          • #14
                            Didn't Intheshade fly Metroliners at some point in his illustrious career ? They do seem to have a troubling safety record.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HalcyonDays View Post
                              Didn't Intheshade fly Metroliners at some point in his illustrious career ?
                              Yes.
                              Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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