Originally posted by 3WE
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I tried to point out that this would overlook important procedural steps for the A330 such as switching off the FD's and getting the thrust out of thrust lock. I tried to point out that in a number of other situations there will be specific steps that should be taken that are not universal to piloting. I tried...
In the process, I NEVER said that this should be done at the expense of basic airmanship. On the contrary, I said that this is now a part of the advanced airmanship needed to pilot advanced aircraft.
Meanwhile, you still don't understnad those procedures. The first level, memory procedures, are very simple to execute, not complex lists as you keep suggesting. The second tier, QRH procedures are also designed to be followed under high-stress in the most straightforward means possible. The reason they exist is to SIMPLIFY the situation, optimize CRM and avoid the pilot error that often comes from improvisation by pilots under stress.
And of course the procedures you keep inventing to make your point are preposterous products of your imagination.
Originally posted by 3WE
Now how does that become "Manage complex, cryptic, multi mode computer control system"?
Or... you can do what they did: Ignore the procedures and just fly the plane without the proper CRM or concentration that procedures create, leaving the PF to hand fly while focusing on the ECAM instead of the PFD with his concern directed more at engine flameout than flight path and inadvertently climbing into a stall. The thing you refuse to admit 3WE, though it is quite obviously true, is that if these subpar pilots had simply followed procedure nothing tragic would have occurred. Procedures protect us from subpar pilots or pilots who are momentarily startled and disoriented.
I won't ever convince you of this. The industry is convinced of this but in your mind all of these industry professionals are mere fools. You continue to argue against me and them with fanciful inventions of 'HAL' and absurd examples of procedure. Pilots continue to ignore procedure and CRM and the death toll goes on and this does not convince you either. I show you examples of where basic airmanship without procedural proficiency and CRM discipline would not have saved the day. This doesn't convince you.
I can debate things with Gabriel because he does his research and argues with facts (and often wins) and it's a learning experience for me. I can't debate anything with you because you argue with your imagination.
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