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  • #31
    Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
    Not always the case Eric, there are times when a turn is required soon after the end of the runway to avoid obstacles or terrain.

    BB, I had proposed on another thread a regulation to prevent undertalented pilots from turning significantly off runway heading below a certain altitude (400-500'?) during go-arounds to help prevent midair collisions with parallel traffic or impacting obstacles not on the runway path. I also specified that this would apply whenever possible and could be overridden by ATC or physical necessity (obstacles or terrain). That last important part was summarily overlooked of course.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Evan View Post
      ...I also specified that this would apply whenever possible and could be overridden by ATC or physical necessity (obstacles or terrain). That last important part was summarily overlooked of course.
      Correction. "The last important part" was not overlooked in any way, shape or form. "The last important part" It is, in fact the very reason that we discouraged your suggestion.

      Those opposing your desire for highly-detailed, exception-laden regulations wholeheartedly supported the rule of thumb that it's generally a good idea to climb ~400-500 feet straight ahead before initiating turns.

      Please note how prompt Bobby was to correct Eric when he thought Eric was serious about a regulation.
      Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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      • #33
        Edited for context:

        Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
        Didn't even hear about [Dick Karl!] Usually when a celeb gets a tour and a free hour in the simulator they make a big deal about it.

        BB
        Celeb?

        Gabriel, I thought you said he was obscure?
        Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 3WE View Post
          highly-detailed, exception-laden regulations...
          ???

          Maintain runway heading within the field unless you are directed to turn or must do so to avoid an obstacle or terrain. How is that highly-detailed and exception-laden?

          It's just taking a rule of thumb and making it official, because, as you know, some pilots are all thumbs and no rules.

          Originally posted by 3WE
          Please note how prompt Bobby was to correct Eric when he thought Eric was serious about a regulation.
          Yes, by adding the last important part.

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          • #35
            FAR 191.21.3.4.a. Always do this.
            Except for
            A.
            B.
            C.
            D.

            Looks good on paper.
            (Especially to Evan)

            Doesn't work so well for real, doesn't improve safety, and no real way to enforce it.
            (That which Evan cannot grasp).
            Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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            • #36
              Sorry, didn't realize you were being so cryptic. Sheesh!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BoeingBobby View Post
                Sorry, didn't realize you were being so cryptic. Sheesh!
                We know you are among the best...

                That being said, we must have more FAR's for your colleagues that just can't help themselves from cranking into steep banks when low and slow just after liftoff in spite of it being a generally-accepted rule of thumb.

                Les règles de l'aviation de base découragent de longues périodes de dur tirer vers le haut.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by elaw View Post
                  What's wrong with the Cheyenne?

                  I'd love to own one... if someone else were willing to fund its maintenance.
                  And its operation cost too.

                  That's what's wrong with the Cheyenne.

                  Dick always complains of how much it costs to operates it.
                  He once paid the reservation for a Cessna Mustang. Then he backed off because the tag price was too high.
                  He also discussed several times how it would be much cheaper to fly a TBM or Pilatus instead of the Cheyenne, with better performance and capabilities along the way. But he also backed off because he says he would not feel comfortable with only one engine.

                  So he is all the time complaining about his Cheyenne but he loves it too much to let it go and change it for something better and cheaper to operate.

                  Oh, and 3WE, as you see I am aware of Dick's treats. I was just being ironic for with others not knowing some others obscure editors of the same obscure aviation magazine. Ranting AoA and stall? Yes. Photographing liveries and meal trays? No.

                  --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                  --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Evan View Post
                    It's just taking a rule of thumb and making it official, because, as you know, some pilots are all thumbs and no rules.
                    And a regulation like that will hardly fix those pilots.

                    --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                    --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                      And a regulation like that will hardly fix those pilots.
                      True, but it might make them 'retired' pilots.

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