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  • #31
    Originally posted by Evan View Post
    Excuse me?
    Which part do you find confusing?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
      Which part do you find confusing?
      The sophisticated part seems to contradict the extraordinary ignorance needed to climb into a wheelwell as a stowaway. I would place this person's knowledge of airplanes somewhere between a snake and a squirrel.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Evan View Post
        The sophisticated part seems to contradict the extraordinary ignorance needed to climb into a wheelwell as a stowaway. I would place this person's knowledge of airplanes somewhere between a snake and a squirrel.
        I see. In other words, you believe he just happened to climb into the wheelwell. Could be, I suppose.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ATLcrew View Post
          I see. In other words, you believe he just happened to climb into the wheelwell. Could be, I suppose.
          No, he means that had he been sophisticated enough about airplanes, he would have known better than climbing into the wheel well, unless his intention was not to escape from his parents but from the life at altogether.

          This guy should be died, and the fact that he is alive has nothing to do with his knowledge about airplanes but with sheer luck, a good dose of it.

          --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
            No, he means that had he been sophisticated enough about airplanes, he would have known better than climbing into the wheel well, unless his intention was not to escape from his parents but from the life at altogether.

            This guy should be died, and the fact that he is alive has nothing to do with his knowledge about airplanes but with sheer luck, a good dose of it.

            Luck always helps in these matters. It's interesting, though, that there is no video of him climbing INTO the wheelwell, while the alleged video of him climbing OUT OF the wheelwell at OGG has not been released. Almost makes you think there's more to this than meets the eye.

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            • #36
              Is there an explanation yet of how this kid manage to avoid fatal hypoxia and hypothermia? I mean, that isn't really a safe place to fly, is it? David Letterman joked about JetBlue making the wheel well its business class.

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              • #37
                I don't know what the outside air temperature would be like on a California - Hawaii leg but it would likely be considerably warmer than the temperatures found on transpolar and Northern Europe/Russia routes.

                We don't know how he was dressed so it's entirely possible for a young, fit youth to survive such extremes although there would likely be some deterioration in IQ, neurological damage leading to memory loss. Cynics might say that his ocean is missing a few waves anyway !

                Some other people have survived. Since 1947, 105 people are known to have attempted to fly inside wheel wells on 94 flights worldwide, the Federal Aviation Administration's Civil Aerospace Medical Institute says. Of those, 25 made it through, including a 9-year-old child -- a survival rate of 24%. One of the flights went as high as 39,000 feet. Two others were at 38,000 feet. Someone could slip into unconsciousness so that the body cools and the central nervous system is preserved. Also, there could be a situation where inside the bay is warmer than the external air temperature and you wouldn't get the instantaneous freezing of the skin.
                If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                • #38
                  How many of us would do anything with a survival rate of 24 percent. I'm assuming the kid had no idea of the conditions outside the passenger cabin on such a flight. The old man must have been pretty brutal to make him take such a risk.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by EconomyClass View Post
                    How many of us would do anything with a survival rate of 24 percent. I'm assuming the kid had no idea of the conditions outside the passenger cabin on such a flight. The old man must have been pretty brutal to make him take such a risk.
                    That's somehow contradictory, no?

                    If the kid had no idea of the conditions, the old man didn't need to be so pretty brutal to make the kid take such a risk of which he was not aware.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                      That's somehow contradictory, no?

                      If the kid had no idea of the conditions, the old man didn't need to be so pretty brutal to make the kid take such a risk of which he was not aware.
                      Maybe so. Kids who do something fatal can't measure risk and therefore it doesn't figure in their decisions. Wonder how in the heck he knew of riding in the well. Newspaper story?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Gabriel View Post
                        That's somehow contradictory, no?

                        If the kid had no idea of the conditions, the old man didn't need to be so pretty brutal to make the kid take such a risk of which he was not aware.
                        Nothing gets by you Gabriel.

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                        • #42
                          Still makes me wonder how an African kid knows that a wheel well exists.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by EconomyClass View Post
                            Still makes me wonder how an African kid knows that a wheel well exists.
                            They have ever seen airplane?

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                            --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by EconomyClass View Post
                              Still makes me wonder how an African kid knows that a wheel well exists.
                              How do you think he was brought from Africa? Elephants don't fly. Africans have as much exposure to aircraft and technology as many other, if not more so than any other, world population. Read a little.

                              Not so random fact, of the World's 100 highest GDP Growth:

                              -Comoros(3.5%)
                              -Guinea-Bisseau(3.5%)
                              -Chad(3.9%)
                              -Botswana(3.9%)
                              -Sudan(3.9%)
                              -Senegal (4%)
                              -Lesotho (4.1%)
                              -Namibia (4.4%)
                              -Burundi (4.5%)
                              -Sao Tome and Principe (4.5%)
                              -Cameroon (4.6%)
                              -Mali (4.8%)
                              -Malawi (5%)
                              -Dijibouti (5%)
                              -Benin (5%)
                              -Kenya (5.1%)
                              -Morocco (5.1%)
                              -Togo (5.5%)
                              -Uganda (5.6%)
                              -Angola (5.6%)
                              -Congo-Rep (5.8%)
                              -Zambia (6%)
                              -Congo-DRC (6.2%)
                              -Nigeria (6.2%)
                              -Niger (6.2%)
                              -Mauritania (6.4%)
                              -Gambia (6.4%)
                              -Burkina Faso (6.5%)
                              -Gabon (6.6%)
                              -Ethiopia (7%)
                              -Tanzania (7%)
                              -Eritrea (7%)
                              -Mozambique (7%)
                              -Rwanda (7.5%)
                              -Ghana (7.9%)
                              -Cote D'Ivoire (8%)
                              -Liberia (8.1%)
                              -Sierra Leone (13.3%).

                              and the #1; South Sudan (24.7%).

                              With 39% of the top 100 GDP growth coming from Africa - the largest of any one continent. Poor Africa is no longer the sole truth of the continent, or Her citizens.

                              Oh, and - there's also google. It's some how people find facts, you know, like the truth about Africa.
                              Whatever is necessary, is never unwise.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by AA 1818 View Post
                                How do you think he was brought from Africa? Elephants don't fly. Africans have as much exposure to aircraft and technology as many other, if not more so than any other, world population. Read a little.

                                Not so random fact, of the World's 100 highest GDP Growth:

                                -Comoros(3.5%)
                                -Guinea-Bisseau(3.5%)
                                -Chad(3.9%)
                                -Botswana(3.9%)
                                -Sudan(3.9%)
                                -Senegal (4%)
                                -Lesotho (4.1%)
                                -Namibia (4.4%)
                                -Burundi (4.5%)
                                -Sao Tome and Principe (4.5%)
                                -Cameroon (4.6%)
                                -Mali (4.8%)
                                -Malawi (5%)
                                -Dijibouti (5%)
                                -Benin (5%)
                                -Kenya (5.1%)
                                -Morocco (5.1%)
                                -Togo (5.5%)
                                -Uganda (5.6%)
                                -Angola (5.6%)
                                -Congo-Rep (5.8%)
                                -Zambia (6%)
                                -Congo-DRC (6.2%)
                                -Nigeria (6.2%)
                                -Niger (6.2%)
                                -Mauritania (6.4%)
                                -Gambia (6.4%)
                                -Burkina Faso (6.5%)
                                -Gabon (6.6%)
                                -Ethiopia (7%)
                                -Tanzania (7%)
                                -Eritrea (7%)
                                -Mozambique (7%)
                                -Rwanda (7.5%)
                                -Ghana (7.9%)
                                -Cote D'Ivoire (8%)
                                -Liberia (8.1%)
                                -Sierra Leone (13.3%).

                                and the #1; South Sudan (24.7%).

                                With 39% of the top 100 GDP growth coming from Africa - the largest of any one continent. Poor Africa is no longer the sole truth of the continent, or Her citizens.

                                Oh, and - there's also google. It's some how people find facts, you know, like the truth about Africa.
                                Are you kidding?

                                One just needs to see an airplane on the ground to see that it has wheels, and then one flying to note that the wheels are not visible anymore. It doesn't take a high GDP growth (or a high IQ for the sake of the matter) to understand that the wheels must be stowed somewhere inside the plane.

                                Happening to see an airplane taking off and retracting the gear would be a plus. And anybody climbing into a wheel well, unless blind, has seen a plane and an airport before, right?

                                --- Judge what is said by the merits of what is said, not by the credentials of who said it. ---
                                --- Defend what you say with arguments, not by imposing your credentials ---

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