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    Hi folks.

    I have 10 years uploading photos in JP.net, I learn with this webpage and I have 953 photos already on the data base.

    But, lately, I don't know if JP have screeners or rejecters, I'm not really sure what is the criteria to screen photos, but this is happening to me, and maybe to other spotters.

    Example 1.
    Picture rejected, becauses is undersharpened, I re-upload the same picture again, with out any edition and is accepted the second time, its make me ask, what is the criteria to know when is undersharpened or not?

    Example 2.
    Picture in queue by 20 days, and is rejected because by mistake I mark "Ramp" and should mark terminal, I know that the screeners can correct that for me, because they made it for me already.

    Example 3.
    Horizon unlevel, many airports have runway unleveled, so I try to level it with a post or somethink like that in the background, I add a remark to the screener "Notice that runway is unlevel" and is rejected because prefer have the runway level and the background unlevel.

    When I started to upload pictures here you have a phrase that said, The site for people that can't spend a lot of money in potography equipment, and at this point I understand that we need quality in our site, but my question is, some part of the screeners are checking the photos to find reason to accept it or find reason to reject it, screeners or rejecters?

    Thanks for your answers.

  • #2
    Diego, I am not a screener anymore, but I will give you my opinion based on past experiences.

    Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
    Example 1.
    Picture rejected, becauses is undersharpened, I re-upload the same picture again, with out any edition and is accepted the second time, its make me ask, what is the criteria to know when is undersharpened or not?
    Consistency is a problem on every single aviation website. When you have so many screeners, it's inevitable they'll be different opinions. The voting system does a good job, but photos aren't screened as quickly, which can create a backlog. Either way, people will be unhappy.

    Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
    Example 2.
    Picture in queue by 20 days, and is rejected because by mistake I mark "Ramp" and should mark terminal, I know that the screeners can correct that for me, because they made it for me already.
    As uploaders it is our job to make sure all the categories are correct. It is frustrating waiting 20 days and then getting a rejection, but as a screener, it's also frustrating to see how many people do not use the categories. Of course the screeners can change it for you, but why should they when you cannot be bothered to check everything is correct? It works both ways.

    Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
    Example 3.
    Horizon unlevel, many airports have runway unleveled, so I try to level it with a post or somethink like that in the background, I add a remark to the screener "Notice that runway is unlevel" and is rejected because prefer have the runway level and the background unlevel.
    Maybe you should post an example. Some airports can be hard to screen, especially if the person screening hasn't been to the airport.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
      Example 1.
      Picture rejected, becauses is undersharpened, ...
      I can tell you that from four spotters stocks I upload to, JP is fastest and fairest in appealing. Just appeal what you think wrong rejection and in 50% of cases I think you your appeal will be accepted.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kulverstukas View Post
        I can tell you that from four spotters stocks I upload to, JP is fastest and fairest in appealing. Just appeal what you think wrong rejection and in 50% of cases I think you your appeal will be accepted.
        if you have a 50% appeal acceptance, that means you appeal quiet wisely

        I think the appeal acceptance % is most probably way lower.

        Diego,
        Example 1
        That can happens, unfortunately. Please keep in mind that reuploading a picture without any improvement isn't a good idea at all. It's probably one of the best way to piss off screeners and that could result in slot reductions.

        Example 2
        Don't take it bad but when you say, "after waiting 20 days in the queue..." - I can only reply that you had 20 days to check your informations - we only have a few seconds to judge your picture and can't always take the time to correct your mistakes. Keep also in mind that we have a warning system. you said we corrected your infos before. Yes most probably you now have a warning attached to your name saying that we already corrected infos for you and that we now except that you check them carefully. I know it can be a bit frustrating to get some info rejections but, it really very easy to check your infos and avoid such rejection.

        Example 3
        I can't say much without examples but please don't trust the poles, they aren't much of a reference. Try to look for verticals in buildings.

        Regards
        Alex

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        • #5
          Picture rejected, becauses is undersharpened, I re-upload the same picture again, with out any edition and is accepted the second time, its make me ask, what is the criteria to know when is undersharpened or not?
          So....you had a rejection, you were told what was wrong with it....and you reuploaded it without making any changes.
          I don't know which is the more stupid part of that...reuploading it unchanged or telling us that you didn't make any changes !
          One thing is almost certain....you will have got a warning recorded against your name for that and screeners will be keeping an eye on your uploads. If you can't be bothered to fix problems when we tell you what they are why the hell should we go out of our way to change other faults ?
          If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alex - Spot-This ! View Post
            I know it can be a bit frustrating to get some info rejections but, it really very easy to check your infos and avoid such rejection.

            Alex
            What bothers me in info/category/genre is lack of possibility to check them at photos in DB. With so many fields we can fill while downloading/editing while in queue, we can see only Airline; Aircraft; Location; Country; Registration; Serial No. at photos already in DB. Even civil/military field is missing.

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            • #7
              AFAIK you can see all infos apart from genre and category. For these, you can always do a combined search (for example "reg = N1234" and "Genre = Mil") and see the results.

              Then there is a whole sub-forum dedicated to infos and categories: Aircraft Types and Other Photo Data

              And last but not least, there is always the forum to place your questions.
              My photos on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/geridominguez

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LX-A343 View Post
                AFAIK you can see all infos apart from genre and category. For these, you can always do a combined search (for example "reg = N1234" and "Genre = Mil") and see the results.

                Then there is a whole sub-forum dedicated to infos and categories: Aircraft Types and Other Photo Data

                And last but not least, there is always the forum to place your questions.

                Thanks for advice, but doesn't it seems like a crutches? For me it's still a mistery, why not just show genre and cathegory (like business, cargo, prop etc.) in available info?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LX-A343 View Post
                  AFAIK you can see all infos apart from genre and category. For these, you can always do a combined search (for example "reg = N1234" and "Genre = Mil") and see the results.

                  Then there is a whole sub-forum dedicated to infos and categories: Aircraft Types and Other Photo Data

                  And last but not least, there is always the forum to place your questions.
                  I completely agree with Gerardo in this regard. It can take a little bit of extra work, but doing some searches in the database using a combined search will often give you the answer you are looking for. The forums are another great spot to ask questions.

                  If all else fails, you can upload the photo and say "I did a few searches on the database but failed to get a definite answer. I checked Night Photos/Small Prop/Warbird/etc, but please correct if I did it incorrectly." Help us help you

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                    I don't know which is the more stupid part of that...reuploading it unchanged or telling us that you didn't make any changes !
                    When you can't respect other people you should avoid talk un forums

                    Originally posted by brianw999 View Post
                    One thing is almost certain....you will have got a warning recorded against your name for that and screeners will be keeping an eye on your uploads. If you can't be bothered to fix problems when we tell you what they are why the hell should we go out of our way to change other faults ?
                    If the screeners aren't available to listen the people who make Jetphotos possible they shouldn't be screeners....

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                    • #11
                      I won't go into what was said because it is part of a private message but suffice to say that following a particulary vitriolic and insulting private message from him I will not be having anything more to do with Diego727 apart from my right to reply to his last two comments.

                      When you can't respect other people you should avoid talk in forums
                      You talk of respect ? How about you respect us by acting on the causes of a stated rejection rather than just reuploading with no change ?

                      If the screeners aren't available to listen the people who make Jetphotos possible they shouldn't be screeners....
                      The screeners, including myself are always here to help if you ask. I have almost 9,000 posts on this site with a large majority of those representing help for someone.
                      Last edited by brianw999; 2014-02-05, 11:10.
                      If it 'ain't broken........ Don't try to mend it !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
                        When you can't respect other people you should avoid talk un forums
                        CORRECT! That's why we still are talking to you. Using the same respect you are showing us, you would have been banned already ... with great pomp and ceremony!



                        Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
                        If the screeners aren't available to listen the people who make Jetphotos possible they shouldn't be screeners....
                        CORRECT! That's why we're still listening to you and still offering you help, if you have any questions.
                        My photos on Flickr www.flickr.com/photos/geridominguez

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by as737700 View Post
                          but please correct if I did it incorrectly." Help us help you
                          Thanks for your answer as737700, usually is hard request help here on forums, when somebody call you stupid or request have been banned from the forum makes the people stay away of the forum, and thats why I usually avoid it, english is not my mother lenguaje, but in my country call stupid somebody else and use write on the way used by LX-A343 is very offensive.

                          LX-A343 and brianw999 please stay away from my posts, I was trying to find ideas and solutions, if you don't like my posts, just stay away how I do with yours.....

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                          • #14
                            Screeners have to walk a thin line between friendliness to the customer and database integrity. Point is that the overall workload for the team would increase a lot, if information errors would be generally corrected by the crew, because some people would not bother at all to get the correct info. I have never rejected a photo with a comment in which the up-loader told us that he was not sure if some info was correct (unless it was obviously a lie - like a plane with 50+ shots in the db and telling us that you could not find the cn) but I also do not correct faults like wrong airline, ramp instead of terminal or airport overview selected on every shot. The reason for this is that many up-loaders do not read the message we leave for them in screening, so the rejection often is the only message that comes across. (otherwise we would not face huge loads of up-loads with the same wrong categories we corrected a few days before and leaving a message asking the user to check his shots in the queue)
                            I find that sad and frustrating for both sides, but that is the way it is.

                            I always recommend for up-loaders to use the correct info option on your queued photos 1 or 2 days after up-loading them and to check all info entered a second time. This usually helps to find all obvious faults.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Diego727 View Post
                              If the screeners aren't available to listen the people who make Jetphotos possible they shouldn't be screeners....
                              Sam and myself gave you long and complete answers on top of this thread. You didn't even bother to say thank you and only jumped on Brian's reply.

                              Please give me a good reason why I, we should you give you any assistance if you don't even bother to reply to our advices…

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