2 Korean 738 skid-off runway in Japan at 0 visibility

[jiml1126]

Korean Air 737-800 with 125 people on board skid-off the runway at Aomori airport in northern honshu at 1200LT on the 23rd (few hours ago, at time of posting). The flight was flying from Seoul to Aomori.

Weather condition at Aomori airport is severe snowstorm with ZERO visibility.

Another KE 738 also skid-off the runway when landing at Niigata Airport at 1930LT on the 22nd. Weather was also severe snowstorm and ZERO visibility.

[MauwieAir]

:lol: 2 planes in a couple of hours from te same airline :shock:


what about the damage?

[Asian Brushstroke]

Well, I don't really blame them... I mean, what can you see in zero visibility? :lol:

[9M-MRN]

Hard to say if you ask me.
Korean Air has a pretty bad safety record
They in fact are one of the worst along side China Airlines.

China Airlines seems to be doing better these days.

Flew with Korean Air once in 1998 from HKG-SEL (Kim Po airport) on their A333, the pilot accelerated the aircraft and decelerate the aircraft mid-air off the east coast of China all they way, really felt like someone was playing with the aircraft. When I flew back with MH's A333. they seemed to fly at a constant and really steady speed. I hate to say that but, KE seemed to have some fighter pilots on board!!

[N9103M]

Flew with Korean Air once in 1998 from HKG-SEL (Kim Po airport) on their A333, the pilot accelerated the aircraft and decelerate the aircraft mid-air off the east coast of China all they way, really felt like someone was playing with the aircraft. When I flew back with MH's A333. they seemed to fly at a constant and really steady speed. I hate to say that but, KE seemed to have some fighter pilots on board!!

:roll: ???? :roll:

[Dick H]

Well, I don't really blame them... I mean, what can you see in zero visibility?
Well, I wouldn't give them passing grades. That coast, especially Niigata is notorious for heavy winter snow - sort of like the lakes effect, maybe?
I think they should have been re-directed to an inland airport.

[CathayPacific]

China Airlines seems to be doing better these days.

Don't count on that. Taiwanese journalists and China Airlines' F/As constantly joke about having a CI plane crash every three years, and it's not three years yet from the last crash (which was in May 2002).


Well, I don't really blame them... I mean, what can you see in zero visibility?

No, I don't blame them for overrunning the runways, but I blame them for trying to land at that kind of weather.

[jiml1126]

The Aomori incident is caused by the 737 hitting the 1-meter tall of snow during the taxiing. Airport had to shut down for 2hrs.

Korean Air is not blamed for this incident.

[FlyingPhotog]

Korean Air is not blamed for this incident.

Then the blame falls on ATC??? How and why did they clear a plane in zero visability? Even if they had clearance to land, the dim-witted pilots should have known better. Somebody's @$$ is grass.

[N9103M]

Korean Air is not blamed for this incident.

Then the blame falls on ATC??? How and why did they clear a plane in zero visability? Even if they had clearance to land, the dim-witted pilots should have known better. Somebody's @$$ is grass.

Dim whitted pilots, eh? What a fantasticly stupid comment to make, considering the extreme lack of information we have on the subject.

Everyone with no flying experience is soooo quick to blame the pilots....it needs to stop....really guys...

[DAL767-400ER]

The Aomori incident is caused by the 737 hitting the 1-meter tall of snow during the taxiing
1meter, you're serious? Those responsible at the ATC for giving out a clearence should be fired. It's not the pilots fault I guess. Visibility was non-existent, so what could they do?

[chrisburns]

If their was absolute 0 (zero) visability they should not have even tried to land those planes, but I guess rules are different in Japan then here in the US, I think my dad told me the minimum visability is 2000 feet here in the US but I am not 100% sure on that, I cant remember.

[N9103M]

If their was absolute 0 (zero) visability they should not have even tried to land those planes, but I guess rules are different in Japan then here in the US, I think my dad told me the minimum visability is 2000 feet here in the US but I am not 100% sure on that, I cant remember.

Again... They may have been able to do a CAT IIIC approach! With AUTOLAND! Which is perfectly legal in an airplane equipped for such flight. There is no minimum visiblility for all operations in the US. The minimum visibility depends on many different conditions.

>CAT I approaches are generally 200 and 1/2 mile (2400 RVR)
>CAT II approaches are generally 100 and 1800 RVR
>CAT IIIB/C approaches vary...but they can be autolanded to near 0/0.

Your Dad's DC-9 is only equipped to CAT II.....

There is nothing wrong with making a landing if you are completely within the performance and operational limitations of the aircraft.

[chrisburns]

If their was absolute 0 (zero) visability they should not have even tried to land those planes, but I guess rules are different in Japan then here in the US, I think my dad told me the minimum visability is 2000 feet here in the US but I am not 100% sure on that, I cant remember.

Again... They may have been able to do a CAT IIIC approach! With AUTOLAND! Which is perfectly legal in an airplane equipped for such flight. There is no minimum visiblility for all operations in the US. The minimum visibility depends on many different conditions.

>CAT I approaches are generally 200 and 1/2 mile (2400 RVR)
>CAT II approaches are generally 100 and 1800 RVR
>CAT IIIB/C approaches vary...but they can be autolanded to near 0/0.

Your Dad's DC-9 is only equipped to CAT II.....

There is nothing wrong with making a landing if you are completely within the performance and operational limitations of the aircraft.

Right thanks for the clarification, I knew that my dad was talking about the 9, and I knew it was category II, but it was only after i repleid that I thought about Autolanding, just not used to hearing it with the plane the pilots still have to fly with maps!!! :lol: :P

[jiml1126]

The problem is the tow-truck that leads the way for the KE738 apparently had no idea where they're heading, and the plane hit the pile of snow at Aomori.