Blacklist from Switzerland

[viasa]

01.09.2003 Silk Way (Aserbaidschan/Belgien) 4K-AZ25 Fracht Boeing DC-8
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/363284/M/

27.04.2002 Flash Airlines (Ägypten) SU-ZCD Passagier Boeing B737-3Q8
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/471917/M/

18.07.2002 Hemus Air (Bulgarien) LZ-LTV Passagier Tupolev Tu-154M
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/288736/M/

28.08.2002 JR Executive (Libanon/USA) N720JR Passagier Boeing B720
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/277447/M/

16.05.2003 Premium Air Shuttle (Nigeria) 5N-MAR Passagier Yakovlev Yak-40
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/277490/M/

13.08.2003 Dniproavia (Ukraine) UR-42426 Passagier Yakovlev Yak-42D
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/482397/M/

30.10.2003 GIR Jet (Spanien) EC-IPV Passagier Fokker Mk 28 -100
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/452443/M/

[uy707]

Interesting as they quite a few differences from similar orientated releases form other European countries including the UK and Italy.
Regards
Alain

[DAL767-400ER]

Interesting. From that list I've so far only heard of Hemus Air, and Flash only due to the accident. Surprised to see an airline from Western Europe on that list.
Btw. I wonder what the German Black list looks like or the US version.

[uy707]

Sure, I would also like reading the US version :) The rating system which the FAA came up would make it very much worth reading.
Regards
Alain

[CathayPacific]

Surprising to see a Spanish airline on the list.


Btw. I wonder what the German Black list looks like or the US version.


Sure, I would also like reading the US version The rating system which the FAA came up would make it very much worth reading.


I think FAA rates countries only. It doesn't rate individual airlines. Countries are given rating 1, 2 or 3.

1 means that it is good and the country's airlines are allowed to expand their US operations and airlines in US can code-share on them.

2 means that it is not good and the country's airlines must freeze their US operations (flights already in operation can continue, however, just no flights can be added) and airlines in US cannot code-share on them (code-share already in place have to be dropped).

3 means that it is not acceptable and the country's airlines must stop all their US operations.

The ratings are revised once a year. Countries like South Korea and Poland have fallen into rating 2 not long ago but have since been promoted back to rating 1. Delta had to drop its code-share on Korean Air when Korea was demoted to 2.

[simo]

I was told by a friend of mine that the list isn't only refered to security reasons but also to other standards for ex noise, pollution etc..
In fact I travelled with Hemus Air last year on a TU 134B-3 and it wasn't so bad....however the airline has only noisy and very polluting a/c and this is the reason why it can't fly in European country...personally I don't know if it's true or not, sure is that next time I'll think it over a couple of time before flying with Hemus Air again!!!??!?!?!

[a319]

Hi,

I saw already some of these planes this year and they were in a quite good condition. Especailly the Dniproavia, Silkway and GirJet F100 (See photos http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=203648 , http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=203647 , http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=190627 )

Switzerland should have a spot on its own problems, providing a safe air traffic control, that accidents, like the one over lake constance never happen again...

[LX-A343]

Those aircraft have been found in a security threatening condition during a control. So, those aircraft on this list - AND ONLY THOSE AIRCRAFT - are banned from landing on any Swiss airport.

BTW: Thank you Stephan for your interesting input :shakehea: :shakehea: What's wrong in acting according to international standard and ban an unsafe aircraft?

Gerardo

[indian airlines]

Those aircraft have been found in a security threatening condition during a control. So, those aircraft on this list - AND ONLY THOSE AIRCRAFT - are banned from landing on any Swiss airport.


What happens if they are flying over Switzerland and have an emergency. Are they allowed to make an emergency landing?

[LX-A343]

Just a wild guess (not too serious): As Switzerland is that small, any other airport would probably within the same reach ;-)

Seriously: Fresh air had such an emergency landing at GVA with the banned machine. Swiss authorities have asked for explanations, but nothing happened.

Gerardo

[a319]

Dear Gerado,

there is nothing wrong in banning unsafe aircrafts from swiss skies. But I think these airlines are not unsafe (its my personal opinion).

Hopefully the security in switzerland is brillant again. But after recent reports it was not safe flying over switzerland - BBC had a report about the work at Skyguide, and this report said that they worked under awful conditions

[LX-A343]

there is nothing wrong in banning unsafe aircrafts from swiss skies. But I think these airlines are not unsafe (its my personal opinion).

OK, here we have an opinion of someone, who probably never saw any of those aircraft from closer than 100m. On the other side we have the report of an official working for the Swiss Civial Aviation Authorities, who inspected all those aircraft. Who will I believe more? Sorry, but you loose here.

Hopefully the security in switzerland is brillant again. But after recent reports it was not safe flying over switzerland - BBC had a report about the work at Skyguide, and this report said that they worked under awful conditions

And what exactly does Skyguide have to do here? We are talking about aircraft flying in unsafe conditions, which are banned from Switzerland. All countries, incl. Germany for that matter, have such lists. This is part of international agreements.

Gerardo

[a319]

Dear Gerado,

OK I excuse myself. Air Traffic control and security have are 2 different things.

I just wonder why the Dniproavia, GirJet and Silkway are banned, because these acfts are allowed in Germany and Austria. Dniproavia for example comes into Germany with the UR-42426 for years.

But I think it would be better when the Swiss authorities would explain these cases too, that everybody knows why exactly these aircrafts are banned

[uy707]

Surprising to see a Spanish airline on the list.


Btw. I wonder what the German Black list looks like or the US version.


Sure, I would also like reading the US version The rating system which the FAA came up would make it very much worth reading.


I think FAA rates countries only. It doesn't rate individual airlines. Countries are given rating 1, 2 or 3.

1 means that it is good and the country's airlines are allowed to expand their US operations and airlines in US can code-share on them.

2 means that it is not good and the country's airlines must freeze their US operations (flights already in operation can continue, however, just no flights can be added) and airlines in US cannot code-share on them (code-share already in place have to be dropped).

3 means that it is not acceptable and the country's airlines must stop all their US operations.

The ratings are revised once a year. Countries like South Korea and Poland have fallen into rating 2 not long ago but have since been
promoted back to rating 1. Delta had to drop its code-share on Korean Air when Korea was demoted to 2.

Rating # 2 & 3 implicitely states the same thing :skeptic: . If your country is unsafe, :skeptic: SO does your poor airline, it would be interesting to ask the guys at PLUNA to name one, what they think of it :shakehea:
regards
Alain

[chrisburns]

Those aircraft have been found in a security threatening condition during a control. So, those aircraft on this list - AND ONLY THOSE AIRCRAFT - are banned from landing on any Swiss airport.

BTW: Thank you Stephan for your interesting input :shakehea: :shakehea: What's wrong in acting according to international standard and ban an unsafe aircraft?

Gerardo

It is kinda odd that an American Registered plane is banned from Switzerland seeing how it has to meet FAA maintnence standards and all :skeptic: