The Death of Warsaw Pact Transports

[Princess Leia]

Time to start this thread up again. We were up to 200-201 written off in the time period of 2000-AD.com crash.

Newest one: AN-12 vs. 727 in Congo, Brake failure on taxi, Jan 25.

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[HalcyonDays]

That looks like one of the Iraqi Airways 727s. Pretty ironic, given the various experiences of the Iraqi Airways fleet over all the years since 1990.

[Princess Leia]

That looks like one of the Iraqi Airways 727s. Pretty ironic, given the various experiences of the Iraqi Airways fleet over all the years since 1990.

Sure does. They were leasing some 722s after the 2003 invasion for a few years, but the service was fairly short lived. I doubt this was an original Iraqi 722.

[Princess Leia]

Better add the scorecard. Not updated since the old forum, but I think we're pretty close.

AN-8: 2
AN-12: 36*
AN-24: 14*
AN-26: 24*
AN-28: 10*
AN-32: 13*
AN-140:2*
AN72/74: 4*
IL-18: 8
IL-38: 2*
IL-62: 2*
IL-76: 20*
IL-86: 2
Let 410: 39* (one more rumored crash in DRC not included)
TU-134: 6*
TU-154: 9*
Yak-40: 6*
Yak-42: 1
*Updated by Alessio

Total comes to 200* aircraft

[HalcyonDays]

Sure does. They were leasing some 722s after the 2003 invasion for a few years, but the service was fairly short lived. I doubt this was an original Iraqi 722.

You're right, it wasn't. This was one of the Sierra Leone deliveries to Iraq following the 2003 invasion. The aircraft is a -247 c/n 21482 ex-Western, Delta and Kam. Delivered to Teebah for Iraqi 2004.

[Princess Leia]

Better add the scorecard. Not updated since the old forum, but I think we're pretty close.

AN-8: 2
AN-12: 38*
AN-24: 14
AN-26: 24
AN-28: 10
AN-32: 13
AN-140:2
AN72/74: 4
IL-18: 8
IL-38: 2
IL-62: 2
IL-76: 20
IL-86: 2
Let 410: 40* (one more rumored crash in DRC not included)
TU-134: 6
TU-154: 9
Yak-40: 6
Yak-42: 1
*Updated by Princess

Total comes to 203* aircraft.

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the front of the AN looks pretty bad. The pilots were lucky to get out uninjured - hopefully...

[Princess Leia]

the front of the AN looks pretty bad. The pilots were lucky to get out uninjured - hopefully...

Both were seriously injured. No luck for them.

[P3_Super_Bee]

What does the lettering say on the 722? It's not Iraqi...

I can make out C-A-N-A-D-I-?-N ????

The one photo of the aircraft here and on airliners show it blanked out. A 2004 photo of the aircraft shows it still wearing Delta Colors.

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[pkonowrocki]

Canadian Pacific ? Canadian North ? Something like that maybe.

[Alessandro]

Well, don´t know if the AN-12 is a write-off yet?
Note is that in Congo-Brazzaville, Antonovs are banned from preforming passenger transport due to poor safety. Only allowed as cargohaulers.

[Princess Leia]

Well, don´t know if the AN-12 is a write-off yet?
Note is that in Congo-Brazzaville, Antonovs are banned from preforming passenger transport due to poor safety. Only allowed as cargohaulers.

Well, you indicated in the other forum that a write-off on aviation-safety.net was your criteria for write-offs. This one fits the bill (see their homepage).

[Princess Leia]

Canadian Pacific ? Canadian North ? Something like that maybe. Looks like "Canada Airways"

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=4426

[Alessandro]

Well, you indicated in the other forum that a write-off on aviation-safety.net was your criteria for write-offs. This one fits the bill (see their homepage).
Yes, it´s not declared W-O on their homepage.

[Princess Leia]

Yes, it´s not declared W-O on their homepage.

It's classified as "A1", that's a w/o

[Brad1711]

Time to start this thread up again. We were up to 200-201 written off in the time period of 2000-AD.com crash.

Newest one: AN-12 vs. 727 in Congo, Brake failure on taxi, Jan 25.

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http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/00d377rs.jpgOuch. That doesn't look like fun. And the nose gear ont he 727--they're not supposed to rotate that far, are they? Think that happened when it got hit?

[Dmmoore]

Ouch. That doesn't look like fun. And the nose gear ont he 727--they're not supposed to rotate that far, are they? Think that happened when it got hit?

Yes. The nose gear will steer 89 degrees either side of center. I used to park a -200 on the blast fence for overnight parking. In theory we were to stop the aircraft and use a tug to push it onto the blast fence. I was working one night when there was only three of us on duty. With two of us manning the cockpit and the other providing ground signals, I taxied the aircraft straight into the blast fence with the right main gear on the parking center line. When the nose was about 10 feet from the fence, I cranked in all 89 degrees of steering toward the right and spun the aircraft 180 degrees. The turn stopped with the aircraft centered over the line with the nose 5 feet short of the spot. I let it roll forward to the spot. The left wing cleared the fence by >20 feet.

Note: Don't try it on a slick ramp!

[Brad1711]

Yes. The nose gear will steer 89 degrees either side of center. I used to park a -200 on the blast fence for overnight parking. In theory we were to stop the aircraft and use a tug to push it onto the blast fence. I was working one night when there was only three of us on duty. With two of us manning the cockpit and the other providing ground signals, I taxied the aircraft straight into the blast fence with the right main gear on the parking center line. When the nose was about 10 feet from the fence, I cranked in all 89 degrees of steering toward the right and spun the aircraft 180 degrees. The turn stopped with the aircraft centered over the line with the nose 5 feet short of the spot. I let it roll forward to the spot. The left wing cleared the fence by >20 feet.

Note: Don't try it on a slick ramp!
Oh okay. Didn't know they turned that far. I'm used to little stuff where we only get 20 degrees either side of center.

[HalcyonDays]

Looks like "Canada Airways"

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=4426

By the way, it's Canadian Airways Congo, a cargo airline not registered in Canada but in Congo (not former Zaire, but the other Congo). According to Jacdec, the aircraft is a total loss. The aircraft is owned by Teebah, who had previously operated it for Iraqi, and as you can see it's still in the latter's colors.

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by Princess Leia
Better add the scorecard. Not updated since the old forum, but I think we're pretty close.

AN-8: 2
AN-12: 46**
AN-24: 2**
AN-26: 26** (including the may 2009 cigarette shipping AN-26).
AN-28: 11**
AN-32: 19**
AN/Iran-140:3 (It´s a design after USSR, but still included)**.
AN72/74: 4
IL-18: 8
IL-38: 2
IL-62: 2
IL-76: 27 (3 probable write-offs, not sure)**
IL-86: 2
Let 410: 40* (one more rumored crash in DRC not included)
MA-60:1**
TU-134: 6
TU-154: 9
Yak-40: 6
Yak-42: 1
*Updated by Princess
**Updated by Alessandro

Total comes to 217** aircraft Last update in May 2009.
[Quote Spacepope/Princess Leia]
This scorecard is for crashes after 1992, when USSR/Comecon dissappeared involving their aircraft designs.
Since last update Il-76 and AN-12 been suffering from a few crashes, things has calmed down for the Let-410, not a write-off in over a year. Is most of them grounded or are they so few left? Also same with the Tu-134, Tu-154, YAK-40 and YAK-42. I included the Chinese MA-60 since it´s a licensed version of Antonov.

[Spad13]

Yes. The nose gear will steer 89 degrees either side of center. I used to park a -200 on the blast fence for overnight parking. In theory we were to stop the aircraft and use a tug to push it onto the blast fence. I was working one night when there was only three of us on duty. With two of us manning the cockpit and the other providing ground signals, I taxied the aircraft straight into the blast fence with the right main gear on the parking center line. When the nose was about 10 feet from the fence, I cranked in all 89 degrees of steering toward the right and spun the aircraft 180 degrees. The turn stopped with the aircraft centered over the line with the nose 5 feet short of the spot. I let it roll forward to the spot. The left wing cleared the fence by >20 feet.



Don, you're my hero!

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by Princess Leia
Better add the scorecard. Not updated since the old forum, but I think we're pretty close.

AN-8: 2
AN-12: 47**
AN-24: 2**
AN-26: 26** (including the may 2009 cigarette shipping AN-26).
AN-28: 11**
AN-32: 19**
AN/Iran-140:3 (It´s a design after USSR, but still included)**.
AN72/74: 4
IL-18: 8
IL-38: 2
IL-62: 2
IL-76: 27 (3 probable write-offs, not sure)**
IL-86: 2
Let 410: 40* (one more rumored crash in DRC not included)
MA-60:1**
TU-134: 6
TU-154: 10**
Yak-40: 6
Yak-42: 1
*Updated by Princess
**Updated by Alessandro

Total comes to 219** aircraft Last update in August 2009.
[Quote Spacepope/Princess Leia]
This scorecard is for crashes after 1992, when USSR/Comecon dissappeared involving their aircraft designs.
Since last update Il-76 and AN-12 been suffering from a few crashes, things has calmed down for the Let-410, not a write-off in over a year. Is most of them grounded or are they so few left? Also same with the Tu-134, YAK-40 and YAK-42. I included the Chinese MA-60 since it´s a licensed version of Antonov.
Iran crash added.
Congo-Brazzaville crash added.

[Alessandro]

Iran crash added.
Congo-Brazzaville crash added.
At the AN-12 crashes.