Two A340-600 Accidents - Quito and Toulouse (Combined) [Archive] - JetPhotos.Net Forums

View Full Version : Two A340-600 Accidents - Quito and Toulouse (Combined)

11-10-2007, 09:25 AM

An Iberia A340-600 has had a runway excursion at Quito, severely damaging the aircraft but fortunately with no injuries.
http://www.eluniverso.com/

http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/galeriasv2/galerias/galeria_969/foto_15307.JPG
http://www.elperiodico.cat/info/galeriasv2/galeria.asp?idioma=CAS&idgaleria=969

11-10-2007, 09:27 AM

[photoid=6104979]
[photoid=6105074]

magic48

11-10-2007, 09:39 AM

http://www.kolotv.com/news/headlines/11160976.html
At least one tire burst on the landing gear of the plane as it touched down, causing it to slide off the runway tipped on its wing.....
I wonder if this really is what made that plane skid off the runway. Thank God no one got injured.....

DAL767-400ER

11-10-2007, 11:21 AM

I assume from the pics the plane landed on rwy35 (based on Stefano mentioning that it hit the tunnel behind the runway)? Sure a good thing that it landed in that direction, landing on 17 and sliding that far, the Airbus would have ended up on a major road, which no doubt could've worstened it. Thankfully, everything rather well and there's no deaths or serious injuries.

Alessandro

11-10-2007, 11:39 AM

I heard 5 people onboard got injured, none seriously, one CC included.

AA 1818

11-10-2007, 12:46 PM

So - writeoff? Or can she be repaired?

ptbodale

11-10-2007, 12:48 PM

I shows the pics to one of our Crash Recovery Team guys (Air Cda) and from the inital look he figures it is a write-off.

UIO Spotter

11-10-2007, 03:18 PM

Hey Guys

How are you. Long isnce Ive posted here in JP. Well, as I said this is by far the most amazing incident I have spotted. Sad, but It doesnt stop me from saying aamzing!! I say this cause thankfully no one lost their lives here, tehrefore I can be happy taking these pics.

Any way. I cant believe what happened, the plane landed RWY 35 in light rain, and little fog at 5:15PM which mean GOOD lighting, then I was at my flight school and heard a loud BOOM!

I never thought it could be the plane. Few minutes alter my dad called and said "Please tell me your ok? A plane jsut crashed in the end of the RWY! its in the news in teh radio!" Well, i freaked out and started asking antd telling people. Everybody in there went crazy, and a guy said, "IT WAS IB! It was the las plane that landed"

Rain got worse, I got my cam which THANK GOD was in my car by coincidence (I was gonna leave it home!) and 9 peopel in my car went to the area of the accident. In the mean time like 20 pilots friends of mine called me to tell me about this and they said the plane was over the RWY35 tunnel, sideways. Some other piltos said they saw it skid sideways, then hit the grass, and break off landing gears and saw smoke!

We drove tehre by the bus lane (Thats illegal but ohh well) ;) and I spoke with the cops to let me through as press and with all my pilot friends we went in! And then I saw this

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/accidente1.jpg>

In the mean time it was pouring rain like crazy. Cops wanted to get us out. I tried to get into the airport but it was too dangerous with security so I went around. I managed to get this pics as well

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/iberia.jpg>

WEll, I was trying to get a full fram, I saw many people from tehre houses, i thought of getting in their house with permission and taken pics from the roof, but they didnt let us (Bare inmind houses are just around there like 150 meters off the RWY) So I saw a gate that was open in a parking lot. With a buddy we opened it and went in, we climb over a thousand trucks on got on the roff of one and took the pic I have online here in JP now.

[photoid=6104979]

Aloso got this detail shots, sorry they are not high quality but it was like 10 degrees, I was soaked, no light and I was shaking!!

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/iberia2.jpg>

Look at this!

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/4accidentemotore.jpg>

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/3nariz.jpg>

Any way, we took these shots and I was soaked, and we had to get an other shot. We went back, grabbed my car and people were still runing to see the aircraft. We took the car crossed the tunnel and parked at the other side. I went and saw the plane even closer and I just could believe to see this view.

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/8iberia.jpg>

To manage this view I had to climb over a fence and get on the roof of a little shack and put my tripo and cam in the rain to try and get these shots!! I took like 20, and well, It worked!

[photoid=6105074]

So we took these shots and then police came to look at me, they didnt say anything, but ohh well, I got the shos and then ran back to the car. We left in a moderate traffic, and went to the flight scholl. A friend who works in UIO in ICARO and has a security pass, he has the msot amazing shot. Not uploadable, but you see the damage.

The plane even made a hole in the tunnel (Grass area covers two tunnels!). I mean, it made a hole you can see through, it was made with the landing gear. A main landing gear tore off, all the tyres burst. Engines 1 and 2 broke I mean, hit the ground and twisted! You can see the part which grabs the wing is broken, twisted, engines are brokjen, people say to have heard several compressor stals as it hit, meaning theyre totaled, Just look how they are facin and other way.

Front gear according to the pics my friend has, bent and the front bad and all is breaking out. The wing root of the let wing is cracked all the way back to the fusse! Under the plane tehre are several parts which are broken, scratched, or ripped off. Right wing it broken according to his pics and what we saw. Engine 3 also hit and was forced upwards and you see a kind of crack in my pics.

Well, what ca I say. UIO is closed, until further notice. I tried to get the police people to get me a ride in the helicopter for a pic! But they denied it because of airport security.... I cant beleive all this, but well, they say that it will be very hard to remove the airpcraft as it lies in a very big slope!!

I can be 99% sure its a write off. I doubt any one from IB wants to give me info, but lets see what can happen. Thats all for now. Sorry if I write too much.

Alessandro

11-10-2007, 03:41 PM

Thank you for your effort, you did the right thing, you perhaps where to save people so driving rough is justified.

ptbodale

11-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Great pictures. They are excellent.

How much further to the airport perimeter?

Tanner_J

11-10-2007, 04:24 PM

Thank you for your effort, you did the right thing, you perhaps where to save people so driving rough is justified.

Huh? He got there after rescue was there?

AASuper80Fan

11-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Cool Photos!!!! It is amazing how bad this was.

UIO Spotter

11-10-2007, 04:37 PM

Great pictures. They are excellent.

How much further to the airport perimeter?

Umm, 5 meters? Maybe less. Look at both pics on JP, they are jsut off the airport wall. I cant beleive how lucky these gusy are!

THIS JUST IN! UIO is open! LOCLAIZER out of service. I was told by a source 70% trustable (Airport operations) that the airport will be cut!!!!!!! IAs i said its no 100% reliable! But lets see what happens!

And about the recue thing hahaha,nahh, I didnt recues anyone, i just took pics! Of course, someone would of had to rescue US if we crashed. We were going pretty fast on that bus lane.

CathayPacific

11-10-2007, 04:59 PM

Iberia is flying A346 to Quito?? It seems that its Spain-S. America business is really well. The damage on the left wing looks pretty severe. At least no one is hurt.

porter guy

11-10-2007, 06:47 PM

what a waste

Jerrycobra Boeing

11-10-2007, 08:35 PM

nice pictures, UIO spotter, good thing only a few minor injuries, and engine 1,2 and 3 is toast, pylons 1&2, gear, undercarriage, but looks the there are no wrinkles on the fuselage, it was delivered on 2006-03-27, so its a pretty new plane

Alessandro

11-10-2007, 11:35 PM

Huh? He got there after rescue was there?
Yes, but imagine something worse, +300 onboard injured, not impossible that it could´ve happened.

Alessandro

11-11-2007, 12:54 AM

UIO spotter, I saw a photo at JP that said 14th of october 2005, "5th landing of the A346 at Quito". Do you have any stats when the first landing took place and how many cycles since then at Quito?

UIO Spotter

11-11-2007, 01:00 AM

The a346 has come in the past year over 2000 times hahaha, basically every day, or atleast 5 times a week. Before it was very rare, now its common. Sometimes even 6 or 7 times a week on high seasons. Pilots have had 4 incidents including this one with the A346.

MaxPower

11-11-2007, 01:24 AM

First of all its good to hear no one got badly hurt. Second: Nice photos @ Spotter.

It's really sad to see this one crash. I have seen some awesome videos from quito from the Flightlevel350 site... and reading about this accident at Quito, its just unbelievable. Once again good to know that nobody's hurt.

Alessandro

11-11-2007, 01:29 AM

UIO Spotter

11-11-2007, 07:11 AM

Whoooppsssyyy!! :-) I think i went one ZERO too many!! I ment over 200.. Yeah, weve had it here tos of times. Now very common. Well, Ibe heard people rummor IB is canceling operations to UIO! I doubt this is true but lets see. I rad in the newspapaer, todays (Its 2 am here), where a piuc of mine was posted :-) that UIO personell, managers are PISSED off at IB. No one gives an answer, about what happened, piltos havent said anything, UIO IB personell has disapeared! People have called IB in spain to find out what the heck is going on and no one gives an answer!

This to me is terrible. Never the less, passengers are pissed, flights are screwed up, people travel by car to Latacunga, the alternate airport because they were told flights will be operating there, and now........ they open UIO and no one tells the passengers so there are hundreds of passengers waiting for their friends, reatives in one airport and planes arrive at an other airport!? Comeon, thats crazy. IB seems to be in deep trouble with Ecaudor Aviation Authorities. Im still wondering........

WHAT the heck is going to happen with the plane

I cant even imagine all the problems airlines are gonna have with complaints, delays, losses!

What will happen with IB and UIO

Ahh well, so many other questions I have.

Gotta go to bed, tomorrow im trying to fight to be let into the airprot to get pics of this up close! I hope they let me, if not, tehre is a great angle for pics outside UIO i found today, amazing actually!

MaxPower

11-11-2007, 10:41 AM

that UIO personell, managers are PISSED off at IB. No one gives an answer, about what happened, piltos havent said anything, UIO IB personell has disapeared! People have called IB in spain to find out what the heck is going on and no one gives an answer!
Sounds like nobody is going to take the responsibility over the accident. Are you sure there's not even an IB station manager to talk with at UIO ?

UIO Spotter

11-11-2007, 02:19 PM

I guess the station manager has orders to not give any statements, I mean something sounds fishy there. But I guesds hes just putting the people in hotels and thats it, but nothing about the situation of the a/c about the incident etc.

Crism

11-11-2007, 04:14 PM

Looks like another quality Airbus product ;-)

ptbodale

11-11-2007, 07:53 PM

Looks like another quality Airbus product ;-)

Boeing's don't overrun runways eh.....ya right

Bok269

11-12-2007, 12:21 AM

What a shame...I saw that very aircraft at JFK a few months ago. Glad to hear no one was hurt.

Jet-fighters.Net

11-12-2007, 01:14 AM

The thing i am most suprised about is the fact that this accident and the runway overrun of Air France in Toronto in 2005 both ended up with no loss of life with each A/C having 300+ passenger and crew on board.

Lets just hope that there are no more of these accidents in the future and that airports world wide start to take overrun areas more seriously.

ptbodale

11-12-2007, 08:02 PM

Part of the reason the Air France crash in YYZ resulted in no deceased pax was the regrading of the overrun area.As a result of the Air Canada DC9 crash on June 26, 1978, when AC189 plunged into the ravine, the airport authority regraded the end of the runway to Etobicoke Creek so it is a slope, not a cliff.

AA 1818

11-13-2007, 03:05 AM

UIO Spotter

11-13-2007, 06:10 AM

So, any info as to how/when the A340 will be removed and when UIO can reume their normal operations? Have all IB operations to UIO been suspended indefinatley as per IB? I was looking at a pic (earlier) of spectators looking at the aircraft, so I have to wonder, what is the usual response to an accident like this? I am sure that IB would like to remove all decals/identifying marks to remove IB from the incident if possible (but as for that - most of us know exactly what airline is concerned). How will the aircraft be removed? And we can be certian that that aircraft will never fly again - right?

Hey my friend. SO FARRRR, no news regarding whether A346 will be removed or scrapped. Operations are semi normal and until now, almost every operator is flying to UIO. There are no certain facts about the solution with the aircraft.

All IB operations to UIO hasve been suspended but not to GYE, so IB is flying to GYE. Suspension is indefinite, but not for ever.

Normal response of the people after an accident like this, well, the neear by people say that UIO should be moved and that it is very dangerous. Of course, tis easy to say, but the deal with the new airprot is something which is not as easy as it sounds. People just go as an amusement park to see the airplane and take pics.

I was told today that they have started to remove the logos and all, Ill see tomorrow. I was told they were painting it all white.....

I was told that a CIELOS DC10 came today with Hydraulic equiptment specialized to remove this type of heavy bulks. I understand they want to try to remove the whole aircraft, but I was also told it would be chopped, and then removed.... tomorrow I think I will have a certain answer of this, and hopefully an answer regarding the destiny of this aicraft!!

Stefano

Alessandro

11-13-2007, 11:53 AM

So are the road tunnel underneath the plane open for traffic?

MaxPower

11-13-2007, 04:55 PM

Some close ups of the damage...

:roll: Doesn't look too good.

By Roma fiumicino at:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=16394278&postcount=515

jwobkk

11-14-2007, 09:01 PM

Will this be a hull loss?

AASuper80Fan

11-14-2007, 11:09 PM

Will this be a hull loss?
Most Likely Yes, from the looks of it.

Alessandro

11-15-2007, 08:39 AM

Saw a pic where the painted over Iberia on the plane with white, any other news from Quito?

MaxPower

11-15-2007, 09:53 AM

Can you provide the links where you have seen that IB346 painted titles..?

As we are talking about it on another forum about how long it will take before IB will find it reasonable to paint that airline name off its fuselage, compared to China Airlines Flight 605 Kaitak crash back in the '90's

11-15-2007, 06:49 PM

It looks like a to-be-Etihad A340-642X jumped the chocks during engine runs in Toulouse and slammed into a wall last night. No pictures yet but no fun for the poor old A340.

Chris Kilroy

11-15-2007, 08:21 PM

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/15/219605/photos-a340-600-jumps-chocks-hits-wall-5-injured.html

<IMG SRC=http://www.jetphotos.net/user-uploads/msn856accident1.JPG>

Wow!

z740

11-15-2007, 08:23 PM

Seem to be a lot of A346 incidents lately. Glad no one was killed.

-Chris

Tanner_J

11-15-2007, 10:45 PM

Not exactly what I had imagined when I saw this thread...but wow.

Chalut31

11-15-2007, 10:52 PM

Hello everybody,

I work at 200 meters of this accident and I have seen it... So incredible :shock:
So numbered people has stop his work to see that...

This Etihad is Msn 856 as F-WWCJ. He has made his first flight on September 21, 2007.
This engine test ground should be the last before his acceptance flight then delivery. It was the A346 with 'Diamond' class... a best class than the first...
Eleven people worked during this accident... 3 seriously injured, 2 injured, 5 none injured...
More information later ;)

Regards

BA747-436

11-15-2007, 10:54 PM

Dang thats not so clever. Seriously though, first Ibiera, then SAA cocking up a turn and ending up in the grass and now this. Anymore 346's to have a mishap?

B757300

11-15-2007, 11:00 PM

Ouch, talk about a quick way to a write off.

boeingboy767

11-16-2007, 04:30 AM

peek-a-boo

sad

Crism

11-16-2007, 04:41 AM

Ok I've said it 2 times in the past week and I'll say it again....

YET ANOTHER QUALITY AIRBUS PRODUCT! :D

seahawk

11-16-2007, 04:57 AM

Surely not a problem of the product.

QFCPT747

11-16-2007, 05:09 AM

So what actually caused this accidnet? did they just go to full thurst or what?

and where were the employees when they were injured?

shame for the A346, its had a bad run this week

hansonator69

11-16-2007, 08:25 AM

If they don't repair that plane then they are lazy. I reckon they can repair the A346 with a bit of work.

landing-gear

11-16-2007, 08:42 AM

Ok I've said it 2 times in the past week and I'll say it again....

YET ANOTHER QUALITY AIRBUS PRODUCT! :D

I think you are talking B******S mate!

How can this be a reflection of the quality of the product.
These are unfortunate incidents.

......oh silly me i forgot that not one Boeing aircraft has ever crashed, caught fire or run off the end of the runway...correct me if i am wrong anyone please!

DAL767-400ER

11-16-2007, 11:36 AM

Here's another view of the nose section, or at least what used to be the nose section (hope the hotlinking'll work):
http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/11/30/85/75/346110.jpg

And another side-on view:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7814/3197pc3.jpg
Holy fvcking sh!t!

ptbodale

11-16-2007, 01:49 PM

Ok I've said it 2 times in the past week and I'll say it again....

YET ANOTHER QUALITY AIRBUS PRODUCT! :D

Proving yet again you do not know what you are talking about

Tillerman

11-16-2007, 03:13 PM

Looks like another quality Airbus product ;)

Typical American comment..... :sleep: (talk about generalizations...). I'll take my words back if you can give us a very well-elaborated write-up of why an overrunning Airbus is inferior to a Boeing overrunning a rwy.

If you don't or can't, you're just one of those a$$holes who indulge in the senseless old Airbus bashing game just for the sake of it.

For the record: I appreciate both manufacturers, I think they make good innovative planes in a competetive market.

Tillerman.

pilotgolfer

11-16-2007, 03:23 PM

[photoid=6109518]

Wow. Just wow. Not what I was expecting.

AA 1818

11-16-2007, 03:24 PM

So - looking at the pic, they can easily repair it... right? Haha, well for the very least, Qatar did not take the aircraft. I wonder how long it will take for this aircraft's replacement to be made ready.

Apart - this is just really sickening how you guys have made this into another war. He has the right to say "yet another quality airbus product" and you have the right to report him to the mods, and trust that the mods would do their jobs to make sure that everything would be handled fairly. Nothing more, no name calling. You guys are just rediculuous.

Tillerman

11-16-2007, 03:49 PM

He has the right to say "yet another quality airbus product"

Of course he has that right. But it is so stupid to execute that right without giving any sensible reason to back it up.

Tillerman.

AA 1818

11-16-2007, 03:54 PM

Of course he has that right. But it is so stupid to execute that right without giving any sensible reason to back it up.

Tillerman.

And I uderstand that, but two wrongs do not make a right (OMG, I sound like my father...). You should have reported him, and let things be. By calling him names - you took the sittutation to a new level. If possible, please try to handle things more maturely.

flyingbosshog

11-16-2007, 05:42 PM

Just what Airbus needs.... more problems!!!!

hansonator69

11-16-2007, 10:29 PM

Was the Etihad A346 fitted out with seats? I reckon they should slap on a new front section on the EY A346 and on the IB A346 new pylons, engines, repair the wing and landing gear.

Jerrycobra Boeing

11-16-2007, 10:59 PM

dang! i didn't see the ethad crash on that angle, it looks really bad, hope the ppl get better soon

11-16-2007, 11:40 PM

Okay, one more comment inflaming the debate and the member(s) will find themselves on a break from the forums.

Bok269

11-16-2007, 11:46 PM

Was the Etihad A346 fitted out with seats? I reckon they should slap on a new front section on the EY A346 and on the IB A346 new pylons, engines, repair the wing and landing gear.

If they don't repair that plane then they are lazy. I reckon they can repair the A346 with a bit of work.

You are basing that on what?

Writing off anything (a car, an aircraft etc.) is decided based on the cost of repair vs. the cost of replacement. The cheaper option wins out. It has nothing to do with laziness. You can repair anything if you want to. Barrel replacement can be done (it is currently on the way with N826RW, the S5 E170 that overran the runway at CLE). Doesn't mean its efficient. Another issue is the available repair facilities. For the EY bird it shouldn't be an issue, but I don't know about UIO.

Even as a Boeing fan, I agree this had absolutely nothing to do with the product (unless it was some FBW glitch, which there doesn't seem to be any evidence of). Maybe EY was due to improper test procedures, but we can't confirm that.

Jet-fighters.Net

11-17-2007, 12:45 AM

I have no doubt that Airbus can perform a proper repair on this airframe and get is certified for operations. The real question is would you as the airline taking delivery of this airframe want it?? It is the same thing as going to a car dealer to purchase a new sports car only to find out that the car was dropped off of the car hauler and had major damage that was repaired.

Would you be willing to pay the same price for the vehicle?? Would you be willing to accept the fact that the vehicle might have problems related to the repairs that went unnoticed the first time?? Last but not least you go to sell the thing only to find that everyone knows the history of this vehicle and wants nothing to do with it??

Crunk415balla

11-17-2007, 01:41 AM

The Etihad...wow...just...wow.

AASuper80Fan

11-17-2007, 04:03 AM

The Etihad...wow...just...wow.
That is just simply amazing, I am left speechless.

landing-gear

11-17-2007, 08:45 AM

Yeah i saw the piccies of the Embraer 170 in pieces being rebuilt, its practically a new plane.... although its not just cutting off the old fuselage and bunging on another section, just imagine the wiring and hydraulic issues!

I will give them a few quid for it ...lol... i can turn it into a A340-150

DAL767-400ER

11-17-2007, 11:50 AM

Would you be willing to pay the same price for the vehicle??
I doubt Airbus would be demanding the same price for the repaired A346, more like another 50% rebate or such.

AA 1818

11-17-2007, 04:29 PM

As for the Toulouse incident (with the Qatar A340), we are seeing the damage to the nose-section of the fuselage, but there are a list of other problems that we are probably not seeing. I mean, IMHO, it makes sense to write off the aircraft rather than spending millions to fix it then selling it at a discount. I am sure that QR would not want to take the aircraft in the future, b/c it means that they will be flying an airframe that was involved in a serious incident (and that will show up at every time that a mainainiance or check has to be done). They simply need to write off the aircraft and move on. For the very least, Airbus can slavage other parts of the aircraft in order to recoup some profit - for example - removing the undamaged seats and removing undamaged technology (IFE and other pieces) and using them in another airframe. The fuselage can be sold - either as scrap or as a training airframe.

As for the Quito incident (with the Iberia A340), same as above - we are seeing damage, but there is alot of damage that we are not seeing. The plane should not be repaired and retured to service b/c the repairs needed would be incredibly costly. With this incident, the aircraft was insured (as it was being operated by the airline when the incident occured) and as of such, the airline is being given an incentive to not repair the aircraft (as repairing it and allowign it to return to use would be costly and a liability to the company). Things to consider - there is extensive damage to:
-landing gears
-fuselage
-undercarriage
-engines
-wings
-tail section
-interior of the aircraft during the evacuation process.
So, with all of those possible repairs + the fact that the airline is going to have to recognize and disclose the fact that the airframe was involved in a major (write-off level) incident + coupled with the fact that if anyone is willing to insure the airframe, + the negative publicity with people obviously remembering that the aircraft was damaged and still flying with the fleet = Rediculuous costs not wanted by the airline.

Bok269

11-17-2007, 06:58 PM

Keep in mind that, unless Airbus is self-insured, insurance will cover the cost of the airframe. The insurer will then sell it to a salvage operation or salvage usable pieces themselves. The biggest problem Airbus will face is making a production slot to produce an alternate airframe (if this one isn't repaired). I don't know the intricacies involved with aircraft repair, but I would assume that if they were to repair it, it would be as airworthy and well built as any in the fleet (rather than a car where bodywork is typically repaired and structural issues not addressed). Another issue would be is whether EY has any fault in the matter (from what I understand, EY acceptance officials were on board at the time). The decision on whether to repair it will come down to whether it can be made completely airworthy for less than what a new airframe would cost.

avro_arrow_25206

11-17-2007, 08:01 PM

[photoid=6109518]

In addition to the obvious damage in the nose section, there is bending and wrinkling of the fuselage skin. They would likely have to check the entire fuselage for structural integrity. The tail scraped the ground, and the gears look like they may have been bent as well.
Repairing this would definitely not be as easy as just replacing the nose section.

hansonator69

11-17-2007, 09:50 PM

You are basing that on what?

Writing off anything (a car, an aircraft etc.) is decided based on the cost of repair vs. the cost of replacement. The cheaper option wins out. It has nothing to do with laziness. You can repair anything if you want to. Barrel replacement can be done (it is currently on the way with N826RW, the S5 E170 that overran the runway at CLE). Doesn't mean its efficient. Another issue is the available repair facilities. For the EY bird it shouldn't be an issue, but I don't know about UIO.

Even as a Boeing fan, I agree this had absolutely nothing to do with the product (unless it was some FBW glitch, which there doesn't seem to be any evidence of). Maybe EY was due to improper test procedures, but we can't confirm that.

Then the IB A346 at UIO they'll chop up into pieces and use it for spare parts for IB's other A346s.

Bok269

11-17-2007, 11:13 PM

Then the IB A346 at UIO they'll chop up into pieces and use it for spare parts for IB's other A346s.

That's always a possibility, but I don't know what happens with regards to insurance and the salvage operation, and whether IB gets the pick of the parts.

MaxPower

11-17-2007, 11:49 PM

G-d dangit. She now looks like a decapitated eagle. Sad to see a brand new aircraft destroyed like this, even though it is an unfortunate accident. Hope to see the engineers that was injured recover soon. Rest in peace Etihadian Eagle...

AA 1818

11-18-2007, 02:34 AM

Another issue would be is whether EY has any fault in the matter (from what I understand, EY acceptance officials were on board at the time). The decision on whether to repair it will come down to whether it can be made completely airworthy for less than what a new airframe would cost.

Although airline staff were onboard at the time the fact remains that the aircraft was owned by Airbus, registered with and by Airbus, not yet delivered to the airline, and proceding a test done on Airbus grounds. If all reports proove true then the issue lies with Airbus in that they should have properly secured the area prior to undertaking the engine tests. Culpability with EY staff would occur if it can be prooven that they were malicious and/or at fault in preforming the engine test at that time, but as was reported Airbus staff were present.

hansonator69

11-18-2007, 03:36 AM

If Airbus can't be fuck3d repairing the EY 346 then they are either: a) gonna give a lot of compensation to EY or b) build a new one and get it to Abu Dhabi without making it a w/o. Anyway, well done Rolls-Royce for making the Trent 500 powerful enough to jump heavy-duty wheel chocks and sending the world's longest plane into a wall.

pbateson

11-18-2007, 04:16 AM

It suck for modern crash planes. 2 can't fly anymore.

Bok269

11-18-2007, 01:23 PM

Although airline staff were onboard at the time the fact remains that the aircraft was owned by Airbus, registered with and by Airbus, not yet delivered to the airline, and proceding a test done on Airbus grounds. If all reports proove true then the issue lies with Airbus in that they should have properly secured the area prior to undertaking the engine tests. Culpability with EY staff would occur if it can be prooven that they were malicious and/or at fault in preforming the engine test at that time, but as was reported Airbus staff were present.

Correct. I was just putting all the possibilities out there. In all likelihood Airbus is going to take the blame here.

AA 1818

11-18-2007, 03:14 PM

Correct. I was just putting all the possibilities out there. In all likelihood Airbus is going to take the blame here.

Yeah, it's a hell of a write off no matter who takes it. I just think that this is a precarious sittutation for Airbus in that they would want to not take the hit, but then again, they don't want to piss off one of their best customers...

Bok269

11-18-2007, 09:24 PM

Yeah, it's a hell of a write off no matter who takes it. I just think that this is a precarious sittutation for Airbus in that they would want to not take the hit, but then again, they don't want to piss off one of their best customers...

No doubt that since it was undelivered and in its test reg, its Airbus' liability. Wheter or not they would give up a slot to replace the aircraft would be up for debate, ie Airbus (if it were EY's fault for whatever reason) could say to EY that since you screwed up, we aren't going to push back our current production run to get you another frame. All speculation of course.

AA 1818

11-18-2007, 09:29 PM

Who was scheduled to receive the next A346?

jwobkk

11-19-2007, 08:21 PM

What is the status of the crippled bird these day? Has it been removed from the dirt? Will she fly again?

Bok269

11-19-2007, 09:20 PM

What is the status of the crippled bird these day? Has it been removed from the dirt? Will she fly again?

No news as of yet. Word is that new gear has been flown in so they can get the IB bird back on her feet. From there, the decision will be made to repair/write off.

Chalut31

11-20-2007, 12:14 AM

The scrap has started today for the Etihad... Nose section has disappeared :sad:
First section of the fuselage (with diamond class) has been cut and put on the ground... :(

More informations later :wink:

B757300

11-20-2007, 12:24 AM

The scrap has started today for the Etihad... Nose section has disappeared :sad:
First section of the fuselage (with diamond class) has been cut and put on the ground... :(
Kind of inevitable. It was clear that the damage was beyond viable repair.

MaxPower

11-20-2007, 12:32 AM

AA 1818

11-20-2007, 06:45 AM

I would gladly accept those damaged seats and would like one or two in my living room, kinda redneck style even its damaged. lol..

Sign me up too. Man, give me their business class seats. They could go well in my living room!!!

Chalut31

11-20-2007, 07:12 AM

I would gladly accept those damaged seats and would like one or two in my living room, kinda redneck style even its damaged. lol..

Impossible to use the diamond class... she is totaly destroyed...
For the other part of the aircraft, some pieces will re-used ;-)

hansonator69

11-20-2007, 08:28 AM

I'm off to Toulouse. I reckon they are giving it a new nose.

11-20-2007, 09:31 AM

http://aerotransport.free.fr/Zmisc/Etihad3.JPG

Chalut31

11-20-2007, 01:02 PM

Have you the permission to put this pic on the net ?

AA 1818

11-20-2007, 04:44 PM

WOWOWOWOW! Yup, definately not going to fix that one.

Big777jet

11-20-2007, 04:53 PM

Whoa! WOW! Close call not to kill pilots. It can cut your legs off or something like that! That's really scary. Pilots are very lucky to be alive.

Stuart

DAL767-400ER

11-20-2007, 05:17 PM

Yet another pic:
http://aerotransport.free.fr/Zmisc/Etihad2.JPG
F'n engines left skidmarks sliding up the blast wall :eek: .

Big777jet

11-20-2007, 05:49 PM

Yet another pic:
http://aerotransport.free.fr/Zmisc/Etihad2.JPG
F'n engines left skidmarks sliding up the blast wall :eek: .

Appearly, there is no brake tires marked!!! Why didn't pilots slap the brake before hitting the blast wall? LOL! Wasn't the brake failure?

Stuart

11-20-2007, 06:37 PM

Have you the permission to put this pic on the net ?
I didn't put it on the net I'm afraid.

Bok269

11-20-2007, 09:58 PM

I'm off to Toulouse. I reckon they are giving it a new nose.

Nope. Its gonna be a write off.

MaxPower

11-20-2007, 10:19 PM

Appearly, there is no brake tires marked!!! Why didn't pilots slap the brake before hitting the blast wall? LOL! Wasn't the brake failure?
Stuart

Then what's that fat black brake marks just left of the wheels on the ground ?

Otherwise look at the engine skidmarks as evidence, I think it just happened too fast/quickly that they didnt have time to brake the whole plane. Imagine being in the same seats, these engineers wasnt probably thinking of saving this aircraft, just getting the hell out of the cockpit to save their own lives...

DAL767-400ER

11-20-2007, 10:31 PM

Then what's that fat black brake marks just left of the wheels on the ground ?
That's the point, if it is a brake mark, it is only one were there should be two, as the two tire sets on the left bogie are too far apart to have made only one combined brake mark.

Otherwise look at the engine skidmarks as evidence, I think it just happened too fast/quickly that they didnt have time to brake the whole plane.
That I agree with. I mean, when if the plane jumped forward, logic would also suggest that the sudden velocity might have pulled the flight engineers backwards and they had no chance to even grab the brakes.

hansonator69

11-20-2007, 10:36 PM

Oh man. I love planes and i don't want to see them like that. :( Hopefully the people who are injured are recovering. Oh well there will be another one for EY to replace this one. I want the seats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exswissair

11-21-2007, 05:17 AM

Have you the permission to put this pic on the net ?

What the!!!! Why not?

Chalut31

11-21-2007, 07:36 AM

What the!!!! Why not?

Because the pic has been taken inside Airbus facility and it is forbidden to show that.
I work inside this firm and if I make pic and diffuse into the net or forum, I could risk my job !!!!
I hope that 2 pics (one from AJ and other from DAL767-400ER) are copied via other website because if Arbus has seen that, they risk any problems... The aircraft is still in investigation by french police and DGAC. It is very forbidden to put this kind of pics on the internet now !!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

11-21-2007, 08:20 AM

It is easy to see the source of both our shots, http://aerotransport.free.fr/

RingwaySam

11-21-2007, 09:33 AM

Because the pic has been taken inside Airbus facility and it is forbidden to show that.
I work inside this firm and if I make pic and diffuse into the net or forum, I could risk my job !!!!
I hope that 2 pics (one from AJ and other from DAL767-400ER) are copied via other website because if Arbus has seen that, they risk any problems... The aircraft is still in investigation by french police and DGAC. It is very forbidden to put this kind of pics on the internet now !!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

Are you serious? If someone doesn't want people to see why would they put it on the Internet? :roll: Everyone has seen the incident, wheather it's on the news or internet...

And if I remember correctly didn't you upload a picture of the Air France F100 which killed somebody, and was probably still being investigated :roll:

Chalut31

11-21-2007, 10:12 AM

And if I remember correctly didn't you upload a picture of the Air France F100 which killed somebody, and was probably still being investigated :roll:

It is right I have upload pic of the F100 but the aircraft was not in a private area then I could upload.... Pic of "Marina" is taken in civil area and you could put pics ;-)

The two pics is inside a private firm with a local chart. As I work on the production line, I have read this chart and all people are forbidden to take pics inside except for the work. Airbus is a town inside a town and there are different law than outside. People who have publish these pics without permission are liable to amends ;)
I have also taken pics from civil area but I have not put on the net yet... I prefer wait the end of the investigation ;)

Chalut31

11-21-2007, 10:15 AM

It is easy to see the source of both our shots, http://aerotransport.free.fr/

Are there any others pics via this website ?
Can you send me exactly the link because I didn't found them ? :uhoh:

G-VEIL

11-21-2007, 03:40 PM

Because the pic has been taken inside Airbus facility and it is forbidden to show that.
I work inside this firm and if I make pic and diffuse into the net or forum, I could risk my job !!!!
I hope that 2 pics (one from AJ and other from DAL767-400ER) are copied via other website because if Arbus has seen that, they risk any problems... The aircraft is still in investigation by french police and DGAC. It is very forbidden to put this kind of pics on the internet now !!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

So why on FlightGlobal are there even more shots of the broken jet, which show in even greater detail the damage caused? Seems someone at Airbus is not telling you the truth.

11-21-2007, 06:37 PM

Are there any others pics via this website ?
Can you send me exactly the link because I didn't found them ? :uhoh:
Right click above the photos and the exact link is revealed.

MaxPower

11-21-2007, 09:30 PM

I found a link where it shows more photos (including those two you see posted above.)...

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2007/11/etihad-a340600-accident-photos.html

Chalut31

11-21-2007, 11:40 PM

A men, inside Airbus, has not make a good opportunity for his job... I think he should be hide his name to not have problems... I hope for him he will not catched...
Maybe, also, he has the opportunity to make these pics... If there was me I should not put the first pic on the net... This is very ridiculous to show firemen with one injured on the ground !!!!There is no respect for this one :nonono:

Today, the plane is still at "Bikini".The first part of the fuselage and cockpit part are put on the ground... All pieces around has been put in big skips...
Maybe the plane will be put at the same place where the A380 msn 5000 has been scrapped... I still wait for that ;)

Thanks for the link ;)

avro_arrow_25206

11-21-2007, 11:47 PM

I agree with Chalut.

When I used to be an intern at Honeywell Aerospace, they make everyone leave their camera cell phones at the security desk. All cameras used for work need to have a physical authorisation tag, and taking or sending photos outside of the plant other than for work purposes is strictly forbidden and it is enforced.

They are dead serious about privacy and confidentiality.

MaxPower

11-22-2007, 03:39 AM

To our insider (UIO spotter) at Quito airport

Can you verify or give us an update of what had happen with EC-JOH, Has she been chopped up yet and move away from the spot ?

Foxtrot

11-22-2007, 09:00 PM

Apparently, the Etihad 346 wasn't wheel-chocked at all:

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/20/219755/wrecked-a340-was-unchocked-with-engines-at-high-thrust-investigators.html

The engines were running at high-power with only the parking brakes on:

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/21/219795/toulouse-a340-throttles-not-idled-until-2s-before-wall-collision.html

Seems someone dropped the ball on this job...

Jet-fighters.Net

11-24-2007, 10:49 AM

The latest report is that the A340-600 was finished with the engine test and was taxing out of the test pen.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/19/219705/toulouse-accident-occurred-as-airbus-a340-was-exiting-engine-test-pen.html

Chalut31

11-24-2007, 10:52 AM

A340-600 of Etihad has been removed from "Bikini" area yesterday afternoon...
The aircraft has been covered by black canvas on the titles and tail. He is now at the same place where the A380 msn 5000 was. Member of the Old Wings of Toulouse I could, this morning, see the aircraft in front of me... and he is not so be good. Engines 1 & 2 are completly destroyed, as the first section of fuselage and cockpit (as we knew ;) ). Under the tail, the fuselage structure is very damaged. Engines 1 & 2 pole mounted are damaged as Iberia aircraft... So bad to see this aircraft today :-)

No photos are possible due to more investigations and Airbus protocol. Security is very hard at this moment... Be careful for all people who want to visit Old Wings Association inside the Airbus plant ;)

Jet-fighters.Net

11-24-2007, 10:53 AM

Also the IB A340-600 looks like they are thinking very hard about repairing it.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/21/219796/iberia-indicates-quito-overrun-a340-will-be-repaired.html

MaxPower

11-24-2007, 10:57 AM

But he says that the short-term impact on Etihad’s network arising from the loss of the aircraft is “not expected to be significant” because the A340 was initially due to act as a spare to cover heavy maintenance of the A340-600 fleet. Etihad has two of the type.

I never thought it was significant one. Etihad is thriving, always nice to see a new aircraft in etihads scheme, saddest part is that it is brand new. Thanks for the link, Jetfighters.net !!!

Alessandro

11-28-2007, 07:09 AM

So the Quito A346 has been parked now, almost 3 weeks after landing,
http://www.elcomercio.com/noticiaEC.asp?id_noticia=153974&id_seccion=11

DAL767-400ER

11-28-2007, 08:38 AM

Good, so UIO is finally back to standard take-off and landing procedures.

Chalut31

12-06-2007, 07:21 PM

Etihad A340-600 has been hangared for more investigations... No parts are visible ;-)
I hope we will have an answer soon...

Leftseat86

12-07-2007, 07:07 PM

Your english is getting better Eric ;) :p

Still more progress to be made! :)

Chalut31

12-08-2007, 02:02 PM

I work for that Clovis :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

MaxPower

01-17-2008, 02:20 AM

The landing was recorded by the Airport CCTV.

Check out the speed. It kept going and going on the cctv-video.

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl2-I0lbmH0&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tl2-I0lbmH0&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/u7AnV24-RLQ&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/u7AnV24-RLQ&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

uy707

03-10-2008, 06:09 PM

Things aren't over, Another video shot minutes after overruning

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/11/12/219480/video-immediate-aftermath-of-iberia-a340-600-quito-overrun.html

DaveGF4G

03-11-2008, 12:07 AM

good pics.... thank you

Optimus Prime

03-18-2008, 08:06 PM

looks like the a340 @ quito is a write off..... the plane is covered in tarps and no work has been done in months

Dmmoore

03-18-2008, 08:27 PM

Optimus Prime

04-01-2008, 03:11 PM

The way a field repair works is:

1. Survey the damage
2, Order all major assemblies.
3. Locate the tooling
4. Transport the parts and tooling to the repair site.
5. On site repair team in place.

I have seen aircraft sit for a year before everything was ready to be repaired.
You'll know it's a write off when you see it being cut up.

Thanks Don

Given the fact that UIO has very limited repair facilities ( most repairs are done in Latacunga) this would make a challenging job even more difficult. A client of mine who is the MRO chief for an airline here in LatAm said that he does not believe the repair will be done and that Airbus has already given Iberia a replacement aircraft. They will leave it here in repair limbo for quite some time before finally writing it off