Request for help Alnewhaven

[Alnewhaven]

Hi! I seem to have difficulty getting airborne shots accepted, both here and 'elsewhere'. This was the latest attempt, which looks ok on the original but seems to lose it at the scanning stage. It was rejected twice as soft (duly sharpened) then Bad quality.

I suspect I am limited by scanning prints and that this may be the best I can get until I invest in a film scanner.

However, any tips/assistance appreciated.

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[Leftseat86]

The grain and noise looks like its not a scanning problem, but perhaps the original print is just noisy. Try using a lower speed film, like Fuji Reala 100 or an equivalent. That will give you less grain/noise on the prints. I would stay below 200ISO for prints.

-Clovis

[Alnewhaven]

Thanks! The film was ISO 100 and that shot was taken within 15 minutes of this one which was accepted.

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Looking again I think maybe the Balkan is cropped too close which has highlighted grain etc?

Agree on slide scanner and digital ...but waiting for Pentax to get their act together re DSLR and bills to pay before another scanner!

[ckw]

I think the problem is in the scanning. It looks to me that you (or the scanning software) have tried too hard to brighten the undersides, resulting in excessive noise and grain.

I suspect a rescan with careful attention to getting the blacks right would get it to acceptable standard, though the shot will need careful sharpening.

Cheers,

Colin

[BWI Scott]

Though I am FAR from an expert,I figured I would see what I could do.Here is my "attempt' :D

http://members.aol.com/kaosrogue711/images/mytry.jpg

Scott

[BWI Scott]

Figured I would have a go at the other one too.

http://members.aol.com/kaosrogue711/images/myothertry.jpg

Scott

[Alnewhaven]

Nice job Scott!

So what did you do?

[BWI Scott]

Thanks

I must admit that I cannot take all the credit though.I used a program called Neatimage that Andy Hunt mentioned in a previous post.It works amazingly well to remove noise and grain.I used that to remove the grain,then just touched up the color and sharpening a bit in PS7.

Give that program a try,it's a free demo and has a quick and easy tutorial to get you started.You will be amazed at the results!!

http://www.neatimage.com/


Scott

[Alnewhaven]

Thanks Scott

Coincedentally I had downloaded Neatimage this afternoon so will give it a try.

[atco]

I think Colin is right here, I feel the original problem is in the scan.

While neat image can reduce grain, it cannot rescue badscans, and as far as I am concerned the Balkan would be rejected still, as there is noise screaming from the dark areas under the body and wings.

Once you fix the original scanning problem, then you will produce better quality scans that do not have to be "fixed" each time, those scans have way too much grain for ISO100 film.

These are scans from ISO100 prints on a crappy old flatbed:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/172769/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/166451/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/163010/L/

Regards

Garry