My thoughts on the "turmoil" between this and Airl [Archive] - JetPhotos.Net Forums

Chris Kilroy

10-31-2002, 02:08 AM

Since I seem to have been banned from Airliners.Net's forums (due to starting up some competition images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif ), I'll post my comments here as well.

Johan Lundgren knows full well that nothing has been stolen from his site. He knows that it is impossible to steal PHP code. He has conclusive proof that the javascript codes which he alleged (publicly, no less) were stolen were indeed not.

The javascript codes used one some of the menus were written by Dave Faulkner, one of the partners in this site, and indeed a chatroom OP at Airliners.Net. Dave has been absolutely instrumental in allowing this site to come online, programming integral parts of the database such as the automatic image resizing, the photographer copyright bar, the installation of the software to do this stuff, as well as allowing the use of the menus from his site, Rwy34.Com (http://www.rwy34.com/)!

I can't thank Dave enough for his help and assistance, and I'm looking forward to working with him more to add more exciting and new features to this website.

In my eyes, Johan's accusation of stealing code was just as much an afront to Dave as it was to me. Dave wrote the original code, so Johan is, in effect, accusing Dave of stealing the code from his site. Something that neither I, nor Dave, would ever dream of doing.

In my honest opinion, Johan is deathly scared of the competition this site provides. He knows that his years of rudeness and non-responsive attitude would have probably caught up with him long before, except that there was no other place for people to go.

Now there is.

He is afraid that this site, which is devoid of politics, preferential treatment, anal retentive photo standards, popup advertising, pay-for-post forums, etc. is going to take traffic away from his.

And he's right.

Several very high profile photographers from Airliners.Net (I won't say who, to protect them from Mr. Lundgren's antics) have privately told me that they have been sick of Johan's politics and attitude for years, and will begin uploading their photos here instead.

I don't expect the majority of people who upload stuff there to come over here, especially those who have their lips firmly implanted on Johan's ass. But I'd at least like to provide a place for those who are tired of Johan's Stalin-like attitude to have an alternative.

Especially if he goes through with his plan to turn the whole site into a pay site.

That's all I'm going to say on the subject, as I would really like to let it go away.

Please feel free, however, to post your comments -- supportive or not. nod.gif

Chris Kilroy

10-31-2002, 02:13 AM

Hmmm.

The topic seems to have been deleted, Jim.

Not a surprise from a person who banned a member from the forum once for "forcing your American imperialism down our throats." images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Heil Johan! images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

danica_d

10-31-2002, 03:11 AM

I'm all for healthy competition, but I don't think it's in the best of taste for a moderator to publicly criticize management of another forum. It might backfire. I do support clearing up misunderstandings and potential false accusations though.

All that said, best wishes for this new forum!

Chris Kilroy

10-31-2002, 03:25 AM

Thanks for your comments as always curious!

Unfortunately, I have been banned from Airliners.Net's forums, and despite having produced clear evidence that nothing was stolen from Johan's site (a post by the person who did write the code saying he authorized us to use it), he has once again accused me of stealing code.

This is my only outlet to refute those allegations, and I don't feel that I was wrong for doing so.

Jim

10-31-2002, 03:29 AM

Told ya this would happen Chris. No big deal.

Jorge

10-31-2002, 07:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by curious:
I'm all for healthy competition, but I don't think it's in the best of taste for a moderator to publicly criticize management of another forum. It might backfire. I do support clearing up misunderstandings and potential false accusations though.

All that said, best wishes for this new forum!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi curious, I think Johan is the one who has openly criticized Chris. Johan has accused Chris of stealing code. It is really very simple to view code. All Johan had to do is right click on the page and select view source. It is clearly obvious that they are two different types of codes. Johan has also accused Chris of stealing the site layout. The front page of this site is similar to Airdisaster, it is also similar to Chris first planespotting site, Train sim, and even his funny signs site(LOL Chris didnt think I remembered funny signs did ya)
Alot of sites have a similar layout with links on the sides and info in the middle. If this should backfire on anyone, it ought to backfire on Johan, who has refused to acknowledge the two different types of codes, and has refused to acknowledge that David Faulkner, who stated on Airliners that he gave Chris permission to use the the javascript code for the search engine. Instead Johan continues to accuse Chris of stealing.

SST2707

10-31-2002, 12:03 PM

Johan sucks. 'nough said.

Ok maybe he doesn't suck, but he needs some people skills. He needs to lay off the "airliner on the internet czar" mentality and start dealing with people in a professional manner. Deleting members when they do or say something you don't like makes you look more like a bitter fool.

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[ October 31, 2002 10:11 AM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by SST2707 ]

per axelsson

10-31-2002, 07:32 PM

Well Chris, you’re not politically left of Lenin now are you? Hmm? Thought so, then we can’t have you go ahead and open up competition you evil, EVIL republican Zionist CAPITALIST SCHWEIN!

Signed,

Hepkat, Johan and SAS23.

Robert

10-31-2002, 07:50 PM

Grrrr......................

I was really suprised to see some people at A.net in that topic calling this site and Chris names, then coming over and posting here!

What a world.. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I NEVER liked Johan or his ass kissing squad of mods.
I do like the photo section but hopefully this one will grow and there will be no need to go back to Airliners.net..

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Long live Airwhiners!!

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SST2707

11-01-2002, 12:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robert:

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Long live Airwhiners!!

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hahaha... airwhiners.net is classic!
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[ October 31, 2002 07:19 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by SST2707 ]

Legend_Airlines

11-01-2002, 12:37 AM

I must say that JetPhotos is VERY similar to the Airliners website, a bit too close in my view.

Chris, you've accepted my photos though, so that makes you WAY better than Airliners images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

radarbeam

11-01-2002, 01:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robert:

I was really suprised to see some people at A.net in that topic calling this site and Chris names, then coming over and posting here!

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Hi Robert,

I guess you are refering to me when you saying that, no worries. I'm very well aware that I made a mistake by starting this whole mess in the site related forum. I should have research more into the subject before posting, maybe by initially emailing Chris instead of putting it in the forums. I've talk with Chris aftewards and I apologized to him. No one is immuned from mistakes.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

Radarbeam

Aeronautics

11-01-2002, 05:15 AM

I cannot even believe, people are making that much problem about 'stealing' code. Everyone has access to PHP, Javascript, CGI, HTML or whatever. So you can count on it that it will be used by somebody else. Maybe there are more people with the same look as JPN and A.net, but are just not that popular, that we don't here about.

But I do support you in this Chris! I never liked A.net

Robert

11-01-2002, 05:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by radarbeam:
Hi Robert,

I guess you are refering to me when you saying that, no worries. I'm very well aware that I made a mistake by starting this whole mess in the site related forum. I should have research more into the subject before posting, maybe by initially emailing Chris instead of putting it in the forums. I've talk with Chris aftewards and I apologized to him. No one is immuned from mistakes.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

Radarbeam<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I wasnt talking about anyone in particular just a few who still have made no public apology, I believe you did actually in that post right? Some who swore never to visit this site, etc and never apologized for their mistakes are posting.. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Jim

11-01-2002, 06:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ian Duke:
Chris, you've accepted my photos though, so that makes you WAY better than Airliners images/smiles/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the whole point. Airliners.net only accepts photos of commercial or near-commercial quality or those that are of historical or otherwise special interest. That's very fine but when I look for a particular registration I just want to see the plane, I don't care if the pic is not of publishable quality. In this respect there certainly is room on the net for a site that will publish a large quantity of pics of different airliners regardless of artistic/aesthetic value rather than, for example, accept 20 great pics of the same aircraft while rejecting 19 not-so-great shots of 19 different ones.

Robert

11-04-2002, 03:47 AM

Heres something that I found on AirWhiners.net which I thought was kinda funny.
It of course is a remake of the Eminem song..

{intro}
May I have your attention please
May I have your attention please
Will the Real Johan Lundgren please reply?
I repeat, will the Real Johan Lundgren please reply?
We're gonna have a problem here...

{verse 1}
Ya'll act like you never seen a Swedish person before
Jaws all on the floor like a A380 just burst in the door
Started whoopin her ass worst than before
they first were dirvorced sold her old 74 (scream)
It's the return of the

"Awww wait, no way, your kidding
He didn't just say what I think he did, did he?"
And William Boeing said...
Nothing you idiots William Boeing's dead he's locked in my basement (haha)
Feminist women love airliners.net
Chicka chicka chicka Johan Lundgren I'm sick of him
Look at him walking around running his airliners.net
Never replyin' to any emails (yea but hes so cute though)
Yeah I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
But no worse than whats going on in your old DC-3s
Sometimes I wanna get on TV and let Loose,
but can't, but it's cool for BR715 to hump a dead moose
"My bum is on your lips my bum is on your lips
And if im lucky u might just give it a little kiss"
And that's the messege we deliver to little kids
and expect them not to know what Category III is
Of course they're gonna know what the ILS is
by the time they hit 4th grade,
they got Channel 9 don't they?
We ain't nothing but wannabees, well some of us cannibals
who *rip* other people open like canolopes
But if we can fly big Airbuses and Boeings
then theres no reason that a man and another man can't elope (ughh)
But if you feel like I feel I got the antadoite
Pilots wave your ailerons, sing the chorus
And it gooooesss

(Refrain)
I'm Johan Lundgren
Yes I'm the Real Lundgren
All you other Johan Lundgrens are just imitating
So won't the real Johan Lundgren...
Please reply, Please reply, Please reply
Cause I'm Johan Lundgren
Yes I'm the Real Lundgren
All you other Johan Lundgrens are just imitating
So won't the real Johan Lundgren...
Please reply, Please reply, Please reply

{verse 2}
All the other site admins gotta reply to posts in the forums to get users
Well I don't, so *f---* him and *f---* you too
You think I give a damn about a Webby?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
(but Johan what if u win wouldn't it be weird?)
Why? So you guys can just lie to get me here?
So you can sit me here next to Airwhiners
s--- 9V-SVA better switch me chairs
So I can sit next to Jason Seiple and Jacob Griffin
And hear them argue over who the bigger yahoo is
Little *Hepkat* put me on blast on IRC
(yea hes cute but I think he's married to Manni, hehe)
I should download a audio on mp3
And show the whole world how you gave Johan *head* (scream)
I'm sick of you little golden boy whiners all you do is annoy me
So I been sent in here to destroy you
And there's a million of us just like me
Who delete posts like me
Who just don't give a *f---* like me
Who don't reply like me
Walk, Talk and act like me
It just might be the next best thing
But not quite me

Written by dragonair??

SST2707

11-04-2002, 06:24 PM

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NWA 757 300

11-08-2002, 12:41 AM

Being still in their forums occasionally (I won't state who I am on there knowing their henchmen probably come in here clandestinely), I have to say you have my support Chris images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

reason1: More photographer friendly

reason2: Atmosphere appears more relaxed,no hostility or flaming

reason3: Biased my country is better than your country bs is nowhere to be found here! images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

All three factors will make this site more of a pleasure visiting. Keep up the good work Chris!

[ November 08, 2002 12:32 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by NWA 757 300 ]

tommyalf

11-11-2002, 02:40 AM

Greetings:

To quote Apple Founder Steve Jobs "All Great Artists Steal" images/smiles/icon_wink.gif Keep up the good work.

Tom
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Knightbird

11-14-2002, 09:42 AM

I so do NOT have any respect for that "Johan" thing over at airwhiners.sh**! I wonder if, after tossing his tantrum about all that "stolen code", he sought the comfort of a sweet, soothing song freshly downloaded from KAZAA! (..or similar "free file" site)

Never in my LIFE have I seen such blatant, full-on hypocracy in action than his site! naughty.gif

Chris Kilroy

11-15-2002, 06:44 PM

Geez.. what a freaking joke. images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Robert

11-15-2002, 06:50 PM

[ November 15, 2002 01:54 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Robert ]

PolishAir42

11-15-2002, 07:24 PM

"reason3: Biased my country is better than your country bs is nowhere to be found here! "

Can you say? ANTI-USA

NWA 757 300

11-15-2002, 11:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by PolishAir42:
"reason3: Biased my country is better than your country bs is nowhere to be found here! "

Can you say? ANTI-USA<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I can cite the anti USA bull**** that they have on a.net,of course that was what I was referring to in my first post.

I only said it that way cuz I know I jumped over here for just that reason,and I figure lots of us is sick of even thinking bout it.

SST2707

11-16-2002, 05:27 AM

As an example of the shear stupidity that reigns Airliners.net, please click here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/5837/

But quickly!!! You know it won't last too long!! smilewink.gif

Katamarino

11-16-2002, 12:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SST2707:
As an example of the shear stupidity that reigns Airliners.net, please click here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/5837/

But quickly!!! You know it won't last too long!! smilewink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

People being banned because of IP address foul ups!? Could only happen at AirD i mean AirLiners.net...

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BigPhilNYC

11-17-2002, 11:26 PM

I think it would be silly to look at the JetPhoto homepage and act like it was not inspired by Airliners.net.

However, there are problems with a.net that this palce solves. No overly picky pictures aprovals, no strict moderating on forusm, not as many people (which I LOVE). It's more relaxing here.

I think anyone who stresses this topi needs to shut the computer off. It's the internet. None of these plane sites are businesses, so it's not ike we are all competing for money here.

I don't know if it bothers Johan. He seems to be a great guy. but if it bothers him that much, then he's a loser. I LOVE his site, and I love this one. But who cares?

It's the internet. Just surf.

jiml1126

11-21-2002, 01:48 AM

Simply few words: Johan afraids competition.

But your site don't get enhanced/better if you don't accept competition.

This is the problem.

Yes, actually 2 sites are alike, but what's the deal?

There are lots of sites are there that look a like, did those company filing lawsuit against each other? I never heard any.

By the way, one of the reason that a.net's quality has gone down is about censorship. And I hope there's no such thing happens in here, as long as it didn't cross any borders.

Should I make some points on the "dark side of a.net"? images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

SST2707

11-22-2002, 03:57 AM

READ THIS!!!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/6137/

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BigPhilNYC

11-22-2002, 04:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SST2707:
READ THIS!!!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/6137/

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It's not funny. Some idiot writes a stupid letter to the anet mods and then, after he makes himself look like an ass, associates himself with jetphotos only creating more tension.

We don't need that crap. Whoever wrote that WAS a fool. Granted, I'm not huge fan of anet these days either, but at least have the maturity to write them from a real email address, and don't stoop to that level by writing so offensively.

I think anyone who gets so upset over a WEBSITE needs to turn off the computer and get a life.

Chris Kilroy

11-22-2002, 07:22 PM

I agree with Phil on this one.

The fact that the person who wrote that letter chose to associate himself somehow with this website is embarassing, to say the least.

What I'm trying to achieve here is an alternative website where those who can't meet the standards of Airliners.Net, and those who have problems with the way things are run at Airliners.Net can go.

I don't want this place to turn into another Airliners.Net bash-fest.. there are other places out there for that. Nor do I want offensive material such as that e-mail associated with this website. Hell, you all know that Johan and I have had strong disagreements in the past, and neither one of us has ever resorted to that kind of writing and flaming.

I have my own opinions regarding Airliners.Net, but for the most part, I try to keep them to myself, and concentrate instead on adding new, exciting features to this site and making it the best place I possibly can.

Robert

11-22-2002, 10:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris Kilroy:
I agree with Phil on this one.

The fact that the person who wrote that letter chose to associate himself somehow with this website is embarassing, to say the least.

What I'm trying to achieve here is an alternative website where those who can't meet the standards of Airliners.Net, and those who have problems with the way things are run at Airliners.Net can go.

I don't want this place to turn into another Airliners.Net bash-fest.. there are other places out there for that. Nor do I want offensive material such as that e-mail associated with this website. Hell, you all know that Johan and I have had strong disagreements in the past, and neither one of us has ever resorted to that kind of writing and flaming.

I have my own opinions regarding Airliners.Net, but for the most part, I try to keep them to myself, and concentrate instead on adding new, exciting features to this site and making it the best place I possibly can.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Johans first post about JetPhotos.net was getting to be like that email..
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BigPhilNYC

11-23-2002, 03:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robert:

Johans first post about JetPhotos.net was getting to be like that email..
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And let him do that. I didn't see any of his comments directly, but if that's what he IS doing, then wthat still does not mean we should stoop to that level.

BigPhilNYC

11-23-2002, 04:36 AM

I think the whole thing can better be discribed here:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p5928957ba2358349ddc2e976b3b90715/fd04253c.jpg

Robert

11-23-2002, 05:43 AM

Jorge

11-23-2002, 05:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Phil Derner Jr:
I think the whole thing can better be discribed here:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p5928957ba2358349ddc2e976b3b90715/fd04253c.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats rude naughty.gif

SST2707

11-23-2002, 06:40 AM

BigPhilNYC

11-23-2002, 07:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SST2707:
That's HILARIOUS!!! images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif smilewink.gif images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I like this BigPhilNYC dude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Send your fan-mail to pdernerjr@hotmail.com. lol

jiml1126

11-23-2002, 06:23 PM

My commetns: (in case got deleted again)

Well, frankly, I don't like some moderators. But I know other moderators are nice images/smiles/icon_smile.gif Same with the chat.

nullYou mean JOHAN ISN'T GOD????

He's just an ordinary guy, doing ordinary thing, on every ordinary day.

I happen to lik JetPhotos.net very much as well. I, however, don't think there is a need for tension between the two sites.

That's because someone is bored. They want to create the tension that don't really exists.

Just like the media, trying to compare 2 people at the same time. Like Emin3m and Christina Aguilera. They ended up being good friends, and the tensions that the media created has ended. Christina admits that it was the media creates all these tensions.

Southwest737

11-25-2002, 04:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jorge:
Thats rude naughty.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AGREED.

mirrodie

11-25-2002, 09:26 PM

"I NEVER liked Johan or his ass kissing squad of mods."

Well I certainly hope that blanket statement isn't applicable to all being that I am one of them.

Being that Johan and Chris each have their own sides to the story and that it's NONE of my business, I hope I'll be accepted here as a member.

Too often I think we all forget that we're all on the same team! We love aviation!

Someone above mentioned that this site is very close to anets'. Well, yeah, but then again, makes it real user friendly.

Also, not for nothing, I don't think Chris is out there to 'steal' Johan's site. Not for nothing, but I think a lot of users will look at both sites since they are different.

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tommyalf

11-25-2002, 09:43 PM

Well you have my thumbs up Mirrodie, with over 10 (my bad) billion people in this world, there's certainly room for two sites. BTW have you been over to ISP lately? There's a really cool looking private 737 parked near the tower.

Regards
Tom

[ November 26, 2002 10:24 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Tom ]

PolishAir42

11-25-2002, 10:32 PM

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference. "

Robert Frost if im not mistaken. Talking about how he took the road which was writing and poetry...or am i wrong?

BTW welcome Mirrodie images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

SST2707

11-25-2002, 10:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom:
Well you have my thumbs up Mirrodie, with over 2 billion people in this world, there's certainly room for two sites. BTW have you been over to ISP lately? There's a really cool looking private 737 parked near the tower.

Regards
Tom<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just 2 Billion???? WHOA!!! Its more like 6 Billion. Does that mean we get six sites???

Its interesting... look at the number of airliner photography site.. PlanePictures, Jetphotos, Airliners, and others. Airliners is a small interst group and yet there are tons of sites.

Looking at my other love, space and astronomy, the only decent "community" is Space.com and even that one is going bankrupt.

I don't mind paying for a site. $5.00/month isn't much and I know how much work, resources, and money it takes to run a site. Chris if you want, I will send you a $10 donation check come Christmas. images/smiles/icon_wink.gif But I won't pay for a site with silly moderating and mudslinging and preferential treatment.

And that's my final word. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Robert

11-26-2002, 10:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SST2707:
Just 2 Billion???? WHOA!!! Its more like 6 Billion. Does that mean we get six sites???

Its interesting... look at the number of airliner photography site.. PlanePictures, Jetphotos, Airliners, and others. Airliners is a small interst group and yet there are tons of sites.

Looking at my other love, space and astronomy, the only decent "community" is Space.com and even that one is going bankrupt.

I don't mind paying for a site. $5.00/month isn't much and I know how much work, resources, and money it takes to run a site. Chris if you want, I will send you a $10 donation check come Christmas. images/smiles/icon_wink.gif But I won't pay for a site with silly moderating and mudslinging and preferential treatment.

And that's my final word. images/smiles/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I could not agree with you more.
I'll send $15.00 to Chris..
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Katamarino

11-26-2002, 10:57 PM

SST2707

11-26-2002, 11:51 PM

Yes I know many of my countrymen are morons... but then again, I have yet to see another nation put a man on the moon, generate the world's largest economy, yada, yada, yada.

Robert

11-27-2002, 12:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SST2707:
Yes I know many of my countrymen are morons... but then again, I have yet to see another nation put a man on the moon, generate the world's largest economy, yada, yada, yada.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Create the best planes, and FIRST IN FLIGHT

Which North Carolina (my state) is where this took place.

Katamarino

11-27-2002, 12:47 AM

I believe the first heavier than air flight was in fact a New Zealander, but the publicity machine generated by the states as usual glossed over the historical facts...

Katamarino

11-27-2002, 12:50 AM

Popular history has it that the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk [in the United States] were the first to fly [a heavier-than-air craft], but this is not true! The first flight was by a twenty-five year old New Zealander, Richard Pearse on March 31, 1902. Pearse, (1877 - 1953), is not generally known for this wonderful feat as [until recently?] there has been very little publicity about it. In fact the first formal mention of his achievement was some seven years later in the newspapers of 1909.

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/pearse-motat_350.jpg

The Flights

Mch 31, 1902 - First powered flight. Estimated distance around 350 yards. Similar to the first Wright Brothers flight, ie, in a straight line, and barely controlled.

Mch ? 1903 - After spending a year working on the engine, and tending to his farm, Pearce made another flight, this time with a distance of only about 150 yards.

May 2, 1903 - Distance unknown, but as usual the aircraft ended up stuck in a gorse hedge 15' off the ground!

May 11, 1903 - This, my opinion, [ie. the opinion of Bill Sherwood] was man's first real flight. Pearse took off along the side of the Opihi River, turned left to fly over the 30' tall river bank, then turned right to fly parallel to the middle of the river. After flying nearly 1,000 yards, his engine began to overheat and lost power, thus forcing a landing way down the dry-ish riverbed. One of the locals, Arthur Tozer, was crossing the river at the time and was rather surprised to have Pearse fly right over his head!

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/pearse_sherwood_02.jpg

Aerial view of the Opihi River and Pearse's flight path

July 10, 1903 - Again, distance unknown, but the aircraft was (yet again!) stuck in a hedge many feet above the ground until the snow melted some time later.

Source http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html
An Australian website, and if theres any way they could avoid the kiwis getting the credit they'd have taken it which clinches the authenticity! images/smiles/icon_wink.gif But of course all you yanks will probably be far too wrapped up in the Wright brothers publicity to take any notice...

[ November 26, 2002 07:52 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Katamarino ]

Katamarino

11-27-2002, 12:59 AM

Wright Brothers:
"Wilbur and Orville then built their own 4-cylinder, 12-horsepower engine. They built the 1903 Flyer in sections in the back room of their cycle shop at 1127 West Third in Dayton. When completed, it was shipped down to Kitty Hawk and assembled. On December 14, 1903, Wilbur won a coin toss and made the first attempt to fly the machine. He stalled it on take-off, causing some minor damage. The plane was repaired, and Orville made the next attempt on December 17." Source Henry Ford Museum

May vs December

Also see:

http://www.auckland-airport.co.nz/pearse.html
http://chrisbrady.itgo.com/pearse/pearse.htm

It strikes me that Pearses Plane was every bit as controllable as Wrights, and indeed was ahead of its time in being a Monowing rather than Biplane design!

Robert

11-27-2002, 02:29 AM

Yanks??

Well my license tag says "First In Flight"

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And thats all that matters.
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[ November 26, 2002 09:31 PM: Message edited 1 time, lastly by Robert ]

jiml1126

11-27-2002, 06:21 AM

My latest reply on Johan's new post on "constructive criticism" Trying to post it here before it gets deleted.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote I know for a fact that it's just a small group of users that seems to think conspiracies and personal dislike is behind every decision we make here at Airliners.net. You people can run off to Airwhiners.net where you belong.

Small group? I doubted. There are other people out there that's still giving a.net a chance, so that's why they are "being quiet".

If airliners has the superior quality, us the "minorities" will not make any complain or criticision.

This really contridicts with the previous post and it's a double standard. Airwhiners is similar to Airliners as well. Johan wouldn't mind about this site despite the former is almost completely look a like to the latter one. However, Johan is having problem with Jetphotos, which is also a look a like website to Airliners.

I have to ask: Why is Airwhiners being promoted, and the post about Jetphotos were banned?

Better shave your own moustache/beard before shaving the others.

mirrodie

11-27-2002, 06:45 AM

I am really liking this site! You are all too cool ;-)

I wholeheartedly agree that this site should strictly be PETPHOTOS, (er, ahem, typo...) JETPHOTOS.NET (and not www.bash-airliners.net!! (http://www.bash-airliners.net!!)

And with all you guys here creating a welcoming atmosphere, you are already creating your own unique identity.

Tom, didn't see the 737 there. When did you go? And why didn't you let me know you were going!?!!???!!!

BTW, did you all know that BigPhilNYC has the clap.gif???!!!
(NOw that's making use of smilies ;-))

Joey

11-27-2002, 06:56 AM

Well, regarding the National Geographic quiz, they sure didn't ask me. The only question I missed was the religion one. images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

ATLcenter

11-30-2002, 04:40 PM

I guess I'm another who is resorting to Jetphotos.net. Although resorting is not the correct term anymore. I chose to come here now. It's a good site. Good job, Chris, and don't make this site spoiled like A.net. (hey, it was a good site, adn it still is) Its just a pinch too selective.

hkgspotter1

12-01-2002, 01:56 AM

All I can say is keep this site like it is now and it will be a great place, I'm trying to get two or three friends to join.

Coyote

12-06-2002, 04:06 AM

Two web forums smashed into each other during rush hour Thursday, killing 86 and injuring 523 others.

Dec. 6, 2002 : Network administrators and news servers, ISP's and Netcops swarmed around two overturned, mangled web forums for hours Thursday, locating and freeing injured survivors in the smouldering wreckage of airliners.net and jetphotos.net.

Many denizens sobbed as they described frantically crawling out from broken links after the net's worst forum accident in more than a decade.

"I was thinking, 'God, please don't let me die,'" Whoody Allen said. "You've got flames. You've got smoke. And all over the politics, Is the US bad? Is it alright to disagree without getting banned?

Police said one badly damaged thread could contain more dead posts, but called off the search until daylight Friday.
News servers reported Friday morning that investigators suspected a massive cross-posted thread as the most likely cause of the crash. web forum safety officials declined to comment publicly on the investigation.

Airliners.nets forums, one of the sites involved in Thursday's disaster, had over 20,000 posts in the massive thread, which debated over politics.

"I was against 'censorship'," David Spader said of Thursdays's crash, which occurred at 3:05 am. "I downloaded, and I could see the end of the thread was in flames. There were flames coming from all sides."

Emergency crews said 19 people were seriously injured and 204 transported to area hospitals. Some of the injured were apparently sent home from the scene.

"Injuries are among the worst I have seen in my professional career," said Robin Tourniquet, an accident and emergency consultant at St. Linux's Online Hospital.

Others were haunted by the cries of those trapped in the wreckage.

"I could see people with blood pouring down their faces," said Joe Episcope, who was working nearby. "Someone was running with their posts on fire. I could see lots of people were burned badly. They were shouting 'Help! Help! This thread is madness!"'.

Authorities could not immediately determine the total number of denizens aboard the thread. Airliners.net said as many as 2,000 people might have been on online, minutes away from its destination of jetPhotos.net. Jetphotos.net may have carried 400 denizens.

While safety officials were cautious about speculating about the cause of the collision, many said it was possible that the investigation would study the 1996 'Silent Thursday' crosspost disaster.

Andrew Graves, 44, an American posting on the airliners.net forums, felt fortunate just to be alive.

While Graves said he would post again, he added, "It is very depressing to think in the light of this terrible tragedy that the web can still exist. Maybe there is no God."

Thursday's accident was a web forums worst crash since December 1988, when three forums collided over the topic of abortion, killing 39 people.