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B777-400
04-09-2003, 10:56 PM
NWA YOW-DTW-LAX/SFO-DTW-YOW (economy class)

I flew once with NWA and I'm sure I never will again.

The flight to LAX was ok, but included no breakfast, cold lunch, and not-that-great service.

The flight back from SFO was horrifying.

Departure from San Francisco. More or less on time, in a B757-200 with rather dirty interior. My carry-on luggage needed some time to fit. I noticed that the in-flight magazine, WorldTraveler, was from the month before.

The onboard TV was not used, hence no entertainment or flight data/map. I don't know about US carriers, but all other airlines i flew with (Lufthansa, ANA, Air Canada, KLM, and others) all turned on their TVs for entertainment and flight info, regardless domestic or international, first, business, or economy class.

Rather eventless flight to Detroit. Mediocre service. LUNCH-TIME!!! YEA...
then after an endless wait for my meal I realized there was nothing to be excited about. Here was the menu:

Old turkey on stale, cold bun -or- Old beef on stale, cold bun
An apple
Tiny bag of pretzels
Water

...that was it. There was nothing with the buns, no sauce, no seasoning, no veggies, no lettuce, no taste!

Flight continues...I busy myself with the month-old WorldTraveler.

Finally, arrival in DTW, more or less on time.

I must say, the new Northwest WorldGateway in Detroit is impressive, the only highlight of the day.

My flight segment to Ottawa was even worse.

First I receive different gate information for my flight. The departure screens said one gate and the NWA agents another. The airline reps insist that their info is newer and up-to-date. I listen to them and end up at the wrong gate with a lot of other passengers. After finally sorting out the mistake (the departure screens turned out to be correct) we get to our CRJ almost late. No apology of any sort from NWA or DTW.

After boarding the small and cramped CRJ, I find myself in a tiny seat with absolutely no legroom. The passenger beside me falls asleep and streches himself out all into my already non-existent legroom. Being the curteous person I am, I knew better than to wake him up (he never did until we were landed in YOW)

Departure from DTW...or almost.
We waited parked at the gate for 2 hours. No apology and no explanations. Later we find out we were waiting for a tug. Another hour of waiting for de-icing and take-off. Finally airbone, we were 3 hours behind schedule.

Dinner time, no dinner.
Also, no snacks, no flight info, no entertainment (no TV and month-old magazine again), and basically no service.

We received one or two beverage services for a 4 1/2 hour flight (including waiting on the ground).

Finally we arrive in YOW.

We parked on the apron, even though there were unused gates.
Dragging my carry-on across in -30C snow-storm was not fun!!!!!! The windchill almost gave my hands a frostbite.

I must say, that was a horrible experience.
NWA really have to improve their service.
:shakehea:

NWA = North Worst Airlines

aerpix
04-10-2003, 09:04 AM
Don't like them either, had two flights with them in 1986 when they were still Northwest Orient. It was about the same as your latest experience. The flights were by DC-10-40 ANC-SEA and SEA-ANC.

Certainly an airline to pass on the fast lane.

Regards,
Peter

Greg
04-10-2003, 01:14 PM
I like nwa.

B777-400
04-10-2003, 08:33 PM
I have never flown with any other US carriers. Are they all like that? UA, AA, DL, CO??

DeltaCappy
04-10-2003, 10:17 PM
No, carriers like AA, US, and AS, have excellent service. But since the 9/11 attacks the overall attitude has changed, can you blame them?

Greg
04-10-2003, 11:33 PM
NWA is fine. I guess after flying so many years domestically in the U.S. post-deregulation I am use to bad service. NWA just seems like a standard domestic carrier I would be surprised at anything better.

B777-400
04-11-2003, 01:04 AM
Greg if what you say it's true, then you got to experience some european and asian airlines

Greg
04-11-2003, 03:50 PM
I flew BA from JFK to SAN once. I also flew Singapore and then flew back. They had good service but the bad service is much more fun. And the dirty planes add an atmosphere(could be the smell) to the flight. You can imagine you are flying a small airline pre-deregulation on the verge of deregulation. The cookie cutter cleanliness of the International carriers is just too boring. :D

LH 340-600
04-11-2003, 04:40 PM
The more I hear and read about NWA's servie I understand why they changed their livery and want to get a new image.

B777-400
04-11-2003, 10:14 PM
except...their new livery makes them look even worse!

Greg
04-11-2003, 11:21 PM
Yeah the new livery looks like Virgin Atlantic's except worse.

B777-400
04-12-2003, 03:39 AM
It also strongly resembles JAL, but i think JAL looks better

Greg
04-12-2003, 01:26 PM
Like JAL cargo

a78jumper
04-13-2003, 01:52 AM
My recent experience with NW involved flying YOW-DTW-MSP-COS for my cousins' wedding-the outbound YOW-DTW leg was cancelled after I got to the airport at 500 am, and I got booked US Air YOW-PHL-MSP, where I was supposed to catch up with my original NW flight MSP-COS. NOT! On arrival in PHL, I was told the MSP-COS leg was also cancelled, so I ended up flying US Air on to CVG and then Delta to COS. Somewhere en route all my bags got misplaced; handy when you need clothes for the rehearsal dinner and the wedding. They did arrive in time for the latter. Going home, the DTW-YOW flight was cancelled which meant i had to wait around DTW until 1000 pm for the next one, and I only got on that because I argued, most people had to spend the night at the Airport Marriott. Never mind that there was an earlier AC flight available to YYZ, and then I could have flown to YOW from there, arriving at a decent hour, but NW was too cheap to effect this, and made me wait around for five hours with no compensation.

The only reason I flew with them was I was using my AirMiles and was somewhat restricted in Airline choice. I would have normally used AC/UA.

Only other time I ever flew with them was in '88 from VPS to ORD via MEM.

B777-400
04-13-2003, 01:55 AM
I had the option of flying AC CRJ to Chicago and then UA777 to LAX and the same back. All my parents' fault....chose NWA instead

B777-400
04-13-2003, 01:55 AM
but i didn't know they were going to be THAT bad

MCIFLYR
04-13-2003, 02:52 AM
When i worked for Midwest at MCI, we shared a bag belt (baggage claim) area with NW, and it seemed to me that the flights were always delayed/cancelled, and we were constantly rebooking NW PAX on YX flights. I've never flown with them, but have talked to some NW FA's that live in Kansas City as well as some PAX who have flown with them, and the picture they paint is very grim. So long story made short, i have no desire to fly on NW, and will go out of my way to avoid NW and AA!!!!

B777-400
04-13-2003, 05:17 PM
that's very wise :clap:

N391DA
04-16-2003, 12:54 AM
I've flown around 30 segments with Northwest on five trips from the US to Japan, four of which I can remember. My most recent trip with them was MCI-DTW-KIX,KIX-DTW-MSP-ICT in the Summer of '02. Out of all of those trips, I could only remember one major delay which was a few years ago and NW staff did an excellent job of handling it (rebooking missed connections, hotel room, food vouchers, phone cards). The service on the tranpacs did seem to be lacking, though. I'd reccomend grabbing something to eat before flying. The food is awful. I think they're a fine airline for domestic trips, though. The Detroit WorldGateway terminal is top-notch and good to connect in.

ATLcenter
04-17-2003, 09:47 PM
Wow...once again, and example of how some flights on the same airline are better than others...

I flew ATL-MSP-SFO on NWA and back just last week

Service great (except for 'food'). We got two pillows and a blankie for everyone, and I even got to visit the cockpit upon arrival. Plus, I got a whole can of soda, rather than the DL cup.

B777-400
04-18-2003, 12:57 AM
I got to visit the cockpit of a LH747-400 in flight...chatted with the pilots for 30 mins...that was awesome!

B777-400
04-19-2003, 10:04 PM
I got a pic of WorldGateway DTW...very cool!!!
http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/wayne/images/m_render.jpg

99 jet gates...wow

Aaron Kearney
04-20-2003, 04:20 PM
My worst flight was on a Hawaiian DC-10-30 flying Kahului-LAX. What made this flight bad was that A) it was a red-eye flight, and B) I was stuck in the middle seat. Add those to the low amount of recline available, the noise of the old jet turbines, and the aged cabin lighting, and you get one uncomfortable flight.

B777-400
04-20-2003, 04:52 PM
What's a red-eye flight? (sorry for my ignorance)

Greg
04-20-2003, 07:50 PM
A flight in the middle of the night. They are the best. :D

alvcheng
05-11-2003, 04:40 PM
why is it called a red-eye flight?

a78jumper
05-13-2003, 12:09 PM
Because it causes your eyes to go bleary from lack of sleep, especially in Y.

ptbodale
05-14-2003, 08:20 PM
Hey Will
Why didn't you fly AC all the way YOW-YYZ-LAX? And as for NW they have a great MTC department. When AC needs a MTC man in the U.S.A. AC likes to call NW even if they don't hold the contract in that city. NW always shows up.

B777-400
05-27-2003, 11:49 PM
Hey Will
Why didn't you fly AC all the way YOW-YYZ-LAX? And as for NW they have a great MTC department. When AC needs a MTC man in the U.S.A. AC likes to call NW even if they don't hold the contract in that city. NW always shows up.

Don't mention it....that's what I regret...I had the choice of soooo many airlines for literally the same price!!!

I could have flown on UA B777!!!
AA, DL, CO, AC...all of them!!!!!!
But I had no idea that NWA would be that bad, i thought they are all the same (it was my first flight onboard an American carrier)
besides, i wanted to see the NWA WorldGateway in DTW

mx5_boy
05-29-2003, 03:56 AM
NW?

No thanks.

Did a Detroit - JFK C class brekky flight. Was horrified by the ancient a/c and the service in 1st was worse than what we were getting at the time in domestic economy with AN + QF - 2000.

The other was a flight with Tower Air back in 98 (I think) JFK-San Juan. Nothing needs to be said as we've all heard about Tower - but I had never heard from them and my friends in SJU said to buy a ticket when I got here as it would be cheaper. Even the taxi drive scoffed at me when I asked for the Tower Terminal.

LOL

mb

MikeD
05-30-2003, 03:22 AM
The other was a flight with Tower Air back in 98 (I think) JFK-San Juan. Nothing needs to be said as we've all heard about Tower -
mb

I'm waiting for takeoff at Osan, Korea, and the tower announces an Inflight Emergency. Turns out it's a Tower Air 747 inbound with parts falling off the airframe. It lost a couple of engine cowlings inflight, including one on short final.

Glad I've not flown on them.